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    Garrett Crochet named Opening Day starter

    in Pale Hose Talk

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    1 hour ago, WestEddy said:

    I keep coming back to wondering why you even root for this team. If they're such colossal failures, why are you named after them? Are you one, too?

    I've been watching this team since 1990, and baseball in general since around then too. I'm highly critical of the White Sox org because I want them to win. I want them to be good. But we have all watched them fail repeatedly, and stupidly, especially over the past decade. The White Sox don't operate the way good orgs do, and have not earned any benefit of the doubt. It is possible, healthy even, to be critical of a sports team we have invested time, energy, dollars, and emotion into. 

    It's also cute that you crow about insults and name-calling, but have been engaging in the same behavior since you showed up on this site. I guess emotional maturity isn't guaranteed to increase with age.

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    Garrett Crochet named Opening Day starter

    in Pale Hose Talk

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    4 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

    The average fastball in the era of 300+ IP and 4 man rotations was more like the mid 80s. A guy who threw 95 regularly, like Nolan Ryan, was a freak of nature.

    Exactly. Maddox was a soft tossing finesse/control guy. I don't even know if he threw a slider. 

    Guys throwing mid 90s weren't commonplace even in the 1990s. There is a big big difference between the wear and tear on the arm, elbow, and shoulder today than even the 80s and 90s. Countless pitching analysts say that guys are max-effort throwers now. I'm no kinesiologist, but the data is readily available. It's not hard to figure out why guys aren't throwing 250 innings any more.

    Calling that coddling is willfully ignorant.

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    Garrett Crochet named Opening Day starter

    in Pale Hose Talk

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    18 hours ago, pmb0928 said:

    For decades there were 4 man rotations. A pitcher barely reaches  200 innings anymore. They used to throw 250-300 consistently.  There wasn't all these am injuries like there is now.  If you use something more it gets stronger.  Also if you learn how to pitch you don't have to give max effort all the time.  It's why kopech stocks.  He throws,  doesn't pitch.  

    Crochet looked smooth out there, he didn't have to give max effort every pitch.  

    Greg Maddux was on the DL for a total of 15 days in 23 seasons.  

     

    Did Maddox throw 100mph repeatedly day after day year round? Did any of the guys throwing 250-300 innings back then? Did they snap off countless sliders as well? A pitch that wreaks havoc on elbow tendons?

    The answer is no.

    Guys throwing near 100mph and over were rare when 4 man rotations and 300 innings were commonplace. I'm not disputing history here, but if you think guys throwing 100mph isn't max effort, or that how arms are handled today is coddling, then I don't know what to tell you. 

     

    Garrett Crochet named Opening Day starter

    in Pale Hose Talk

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    1 hour ago, Harold's Leg Lift said:

    Everyone has to stop this.  Crochet pitching out of the bullpen could lead to serious injury.  It already did.  It's going to be a long road and there will be bumps along the way but it is abundantly clear making him a starter is the correct path to maximize his immense talent.  

    How long can we reasonably expect a pitcher new to starting and without many innings under his belt to go out every 5 days and throw 80+ pitches? I'm not against him being a starter. He obviously has the talent to do it. I question whether his body has been conditioned to do so, injury history aside. The Sox braintrust doesn't exactly inspire confidence that they will manage his innings to maximize said immense talent for that matter either.

    2024 White Sox Opening Day thread 3/28 3:10 first pitch vs Detroit

    in 2024 Season in Review

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    5 minutes ago, Slayer12 said:

    I only got to watch few innings here and there while at work, but my god I think I saw a record for swinging at pitches out of the zone. Some of our hitters look absolutely lost up there. Hope it didn't look that way the whole game. 

    Not throwing any shade on Vaughn though. The at bat I did see, there were two horribly called strikes on him. 

    The ump was bad, but the batters were worse. 

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