 Jon Garland, History Repeating? |
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 May 1, 2005 -> 07:50 PM
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Half of SoxTalk's Cryme Tyme  Group: Banned Posts: 3,055 Joined: May 21, 2004 From: Winona, MN Member No.: 1,521  |
Jon Garland is following the same path of Esteban Loiaza...
Both have had less than perfect starts then for one or two seasons get hot... Just wondering what you people think |
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May 1, 2005 -> 07:51 PM
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Drop the Deuce Group: Global Moderator Posts: 21,456 Joined: March 27, 2003 From: Chicago, IL/Grand Rapids, MI (GVSU) Member No.: 301 |
QUOTE(MinnesotaSoxFan @ May 1, 2005 -> 09:50 PM) Jon Garland is following the same path of Esteban Loiaza... Both have had less than perfect starts then for one or two seasons get hot... Just wondering what you people think  Difference....Jon was brought up with the Sox AND Jon didn't have 8 straight mediocre to bad seasons before being successful. |
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May 1, 2005 -> 07:51 PM
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1/2 man 1/2 amazing Group: Members Posts: 7,319 Joined: June 17, 2003 From: Texas Member No.: 615 |
Loaiza was also a lot older and was never really good before that...
Garland is young, has won 12 the past 3 years and has been developing and becoming better oops, not + This post has been edited by T R U: May 1, 2005 -> 07:51 PM |
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May 1, 2005 -> 07:52 PM
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25-Man Roster Group: Members Posts: 1,658 Joined: April 5, 2004 From: Logan Square, Chicago, Illinois Member No.: 1,447 |
not to mention he is getting much cuter, and as he matures his sense of style will progress making him even better
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May 1, 2005 -> 07:53 PM
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1/2 man 1/2 amazing Group: Members Posts: 7,319 Joined: June 17, 2003 From: Texas Member No.: 615 |
QUOTE(flippedoutpunk @ May 1, 2005 -> 07:52 PM) not to mention he is getting much cuter, and as he matures his sense of style will progress making him even better The soul patch is so cool, I have one |
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May 1, 2005 -> 07:54 PM
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Drop the Deuce Group: Global Moderator Posts: 21,456 Joined: March 27, 2003 From: Chicago, IL/Grand Rapids, MI (GVSU) Member No.: 301 |
QUOTE(flippedoutpunk @ May 1, 2005 -> 09:52 PM) not to mention he is getting much cuter I question you sometimes....And I'm worried. |
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May 1, 2005 -> 07:55 PM
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25-Man Roster Group: Members Posts: 1,658 Joined: April 5, 2004 From: Logan Square, Chicago, Illinois Member No.: 1,447 |
QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ May 1, 2005 -> 07:54 PM) I question you sometimes....And I'm worried. dont be worried, im single, i swear (IMG:http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v33/Flippedoutpunk/naughty.gif) |
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May 1, 2005 -> 07:58 PM
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Drop the Deuce Group: Global Moderator Posts: 21,456 Joined: March 27, 2003 From: Chicago, IL/Grand Rapids, MI (GVSU) Member No.: 301 |
QUOTE(flippedoutpunk @ May 1, 2005 -> 09:55 PM) dont be worried, im single, i swear (IMG:http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v33/Flippedoutpunk/naughty.gif) :headshake (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) |
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May 1, 2005 -> 08:01 PM
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All-Star Group: Members Posts: 4,030 Joined: October 6, 2004 From: Elwood, Joliet Member No.: 1,766 |
Trying not to be a downer but Esteban was sensational for pretty much all year and Jon has a long way to go to make it 21 wins but hopefully he'll stay consistent. That said, nobody goes a CG with 4 hits every time out there so it will be itneresting to see exactly what we'll get out of Jon this year.
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May 1, 2005 -> 08:03 PM
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Charlotte (AAA) Group: Members Posts: 843 Joined: October 29, 2004 Member No.: 1,790 |
nah, theyre nothin alike. Loaiza was known has a 4 or 5 starter and just came outta nowhere, while JG was always supposed to be this kind of pitcher which is why he was a first round draft choice.
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May 1, 2005 -> 08:10 PM
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i suck. Group: Global Moderator Posts: 25,173 Joined: February 3, 2003 Member No.: 198 |
QUOTE(shagar69 @ May 1, 2005 -> 08:03 PM) nah, theyre nothin alike. Loaiza was known has a 4 or 5 starter and just came outta nowhere, while JG was always supposed to be this kind of pitcher which is why he was a first round draft choice. I'm pretty sure Esteban was a first rounder too but I'm not sure on that. He had high expectations also coming into the league but when he came here he was supposed to be our number 5 guy. Well, Jon's supposed to be our 5th guy too so I guess at first glance there are a couple similarities. Jon has a long way to go but as of right now he's been unreal. |
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May 1, 2005 -> 08:11 PM
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All-Star Group: Members Posts: 4,030 Joined: October 6, 2004 From: Elwood, Joliet Member No.: 1,766 |
not drafted, from Mexico
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May 1, 2005 -> 08:12 PM
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i suck. Group: Global Moderator Posts: 25,173 Joined: February 3, 2003 Member No.: 198 |
QUOTE(Punch and Judy Garland @ May 1, 2005 -> 08:11 PM) not drafted, from Mexico Riiiight. I don't know what the hell I was thinking (IMG:style_emoticons/default/bang.gif) I think I was thinking of Ritchie who I believe was a first or 2nd rounder (IMG:style_emoticons/default/bang.gif) |
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May 1, 2005 -> 08:22 PM
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Formerly SoxFan101 Group: Members Posts: 8,548 Joined: April 24, 2004 Member No.: 1,473 |
Garland always had the potential and unlike Elo would of been on a team no matter what coming into this year while Elo was a non-roster invitee.
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May 1, 2005 -> 08:26 PM
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Gavin Halladay Group: Members Posts: 23,301 Joined: November 14, 2002 From: Bismarck, ND/Vermillion, SD Member No.: 48 |
I much prefer the Kevin Brown comparison.
Brown's 1st and 2nd season were better than Garland's, but his 3rd was worse. Brown, in his 4th full year of starting, won 21 games while posting a 3.32 ERA. That is Jon Garland, from the way he has pitched thus far. In fact, when you compare their careers as far as their seasons in the majors are concerned, they are eerily similar. Brown - 89-91, K/BB 1.31, K/9 4.46, BB/9 3.40, WHIP 1.37, ERA 3.81, (coincidentally, he had 12 wins in 89 and 90) - Brown was an above average pitcher Garland - 02-04, K/BB 1.43, K/9 5, BB/9 3.49, WHIP 1.38, ERA 4.67 - Garland was an average pitcher Now... Brown - 92, K/BB 2.22, K/9 5.86, BB/9 2.57, WHIP 1.27, 3.32 ERA - as I mentioned above, 21 wins Garland - 05, K/BB 2.83, K/9 3.92, BB/9 1.38, WHIP 0.79, 1.38 ERA - given, that is through 5 starts, but so long as he stays healthy, it is nearly impossible for him to win 12 games or fewer. He looks like a 20 game winner thus far Brown's control got even better over time, and his K/9 and K/BB started shooting way up, even into the Ben Sheets range. |
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