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    Tony La Russa named Manager

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    2 minutes ago, hi8is said:

    Seems like you were doing exactly what you were claiming not to be doing in that post. 😆

    He singled me out. I responded.

    I will never fail to respond to someone who is engaging with me, whether it be discussing, challenging or trolling.

    Tony La Russa named Manager

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    1 minute ago, Texsox said:

    Fair enough. What criteria do you use to determine who is a great manager? I think managers get too much credit and too much blame.

    I'm trying to think of a great manager who wasn't surrounded by great players? 

    A "great" manager can at least handle basic decisions based on basic stats, and a lot of managers can't d this.

    And this context being relative to the time period we are currently in is what you have to keep in mind. It's not the 80's or even the 90's anymore.

    Tony La Russa named Manager

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    4 minutes ago, Balta1701 said:

     

    Even the people who didn't want him...had heard Rick Hahn saying they wouldn't be outbid and they were going to add a "middle of the order bat" the entire offseason. You had a handful of people like that, just like today.

    Yeah, to be fair even a lot of the naysayers would probably have still been a bit excited for obvious reasons.

    Tony La Russa named Manager

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    2 hours ago, Dallas Kong said:

    yOuR lOgIc Is SuBpAr SiR

    Trolling doesn't phase me. If you don't have anything useful to say, I just laugh at you.

    There's nothing funnier than silencing someone's poor takes with reasoning for them to fail to provide counterpoints and eventually disappear only to reappear later to attempt a pitiful "revenge" post. I'm interested in good, productive discussion; not dick-measuring contests to try to gain attention and get people to admire my wit.

    Disappearances are silent concessions. Not commendable, but at least subtle. Then stuff like this happens. You're better off just staying silent.

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    Tony La Russa named Manager

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    6 minutes ago, Balta1701 said:

    So you're saying it would have been a reasonable step to interview him and actually consider who the best person for the job was based on their thinking about the position rather than making a decision based on the 1980s? That's a fascinating concept. I wonder if other businesses conduct these sorts of interviews for employment positions prior to hiring them. Seems like a smart way to run a business, to be frank. In fact, I wonder what type of business wouldn't conduct those sorts of interviews. Seems like it might say something poor about them, to have a potential candidate who might be pretty good quality and then just ignore him, refuse to interview or consider him, because your 1980s drinkin' buddy is available. 

    I feel like the majority of us understand why this is bad. I'm still rolling my eyes at a few posters but between this and Ricky's lack of competence as a manager, not sure I've seen this board more united since the Sox won it all in '05.

    As usual, a few reasons to be hopeful but so many more reasons how and why this will likely be a disaster.

    Tony La Russa named Manager

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    3 hours ago, fathom said:

    I’m serious, people are acting like we just traded Robert, Eloy and Giolito for Pujols and Upton.  This isn’t like college basketball where a bad hire can cause everyone to transfer and not sign recruits.

    People are acting like they were tricked and bamboozled again, which they were. And for a guy who is an obviously bad hire for several reasons.

    Tony La Russa named Manager

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    3 minutes ago, fathom said:

    Why?  The talent is hopefully so good that the manager doesn’t matter.  Now if all the core guys suck the next few years, it won’t matter who the manager is.

    At this point I have to think you're trolling.

    If you're actually going to try to bank on having a team so good you don't think the manager makes a difference then I fear you also might have reached the granduer stage tha so many other fans have had for years now.

    Tony La Russa named Manager

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    3 minutes ago, fathom said:

    I’m not concerned in the slightest about someone like Eloy having a smile on his face 

    I'm being honest when I say you might be the person I respect most on this board. You have a great mind for baseball and I generally agree with you.

    But I think you're being extremely short-sighted here to say the very least.

    Tony La Russa named Manager

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    This team was just starting to develop a lot of swagger and a lot of personality and these guys are having a lot of fun out there. You really don't think Tony larussa being the guy in that Dugout full of minorities is going to have an effect on morale and the complexion of this team?

    Man, I hateed Renteria as manager but we can always count on the White Sox to make us miss the last guy, no matter how bad he was.

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    Tony La Russa named Manager

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    This is just a huge shot in the balls to fans of this franchise.

    There's plenty of reasons that this is bad, I think most of which have already been covered. I just want to put an exclamation point on it and say that this franchise is essentially taking a pimpled kid whose complexion was finally clearing up and was going to start getting dates and just put a bunch of ugly pimples back on his face just as he was about to hit his stride.

    Considering all the reasons people have already laid out why this is bad, you really don't think this is going to speak poorly to free agents who might have been convinced to give us a try after finally look like we might have been starting to go in a different direction and now apparently we're not? After all the bush-league stuff that this franchise has done in the last few years?

    Like Cali said already, a lot of Sox fans continue to get fooled into thinking things are going to change. My only optimism will likely begin to rear its head after reinsdorf is dead and gone, and I know that sounds really cold hearted but at this point I think that's just what the situation is. People who want to say that we need to be optimistic and that things could still go in a good direction really need to can it, apparently they've never learned their lesson. I get the people want to hold on to hope and need to, that's fine. But putting blinders on and acting like this franchise isn't being run terribly is just denial.

    This is truly a "fuck this" moment.

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    Tony La Russa named Manager

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    4 minutes ago, greg775 said:

    Many of you are Debbie Downers regarding Tony LaRussa. Read my reaction and have an open mind and tell me where I'm wrong. The Sox have an experienced Hall of Famer in the dugout. He does NOT CELEBRATE FOOLS. If somebody rips him a new one for not taking out Giolito or Kopech in the sixth inning of a shutout dominant performance he'll tell them to go jump in Lake Michigan.

    Have an open mind and realize this is GOOD NEWS, folks. Who cares what the players think? Tony is a gruff guy with the media but he's not some despicabe Scrooge to players. He has what's important: the street cred so to speak in the form of a world championship baseball resume. Plus he has karma on his side. Unfairly fired by Hawk; now destiny to wear the White Sox hat with good talent!!!!

    Don't just dismiss me. Read what I say closely, THEN COMMENT on why I'm so happy. Tony LaRussa ... a glorious fall day.

    Shut up, Greg. 

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    Tony La Russa named Manager

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    This fucking franchise actually made me wish it had been Ozzie and that is fucking unforgivable.

    I'm about as numb as I've ever been as a fan of this team. They are determined to fuck things up any way possible. 

    I said it from the start of the rebuild: we are trusting the same people that drove the franchise into the ground with rebuilding. And now here we are.

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    5 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

    We live in the United States of America.  The very idea that there is compulsory actions that must be taken to properly be labeled as "patriotic" is so anti-American that it hurts.  If someone has a cause that they want to get recognized, and feel that kneeling during the national anthem is the way to achieve it, more power to them.  Even if I don't like the ideals being espoused, people have the right to do it.  No one should have the right to take that away from them.  Sure you have professional considerations, in place, but those professionals also have the ability to take their talents elsewhere.  And you are already seeing indications of that from a professional black athlete.  Even if you don't believe in it, they do.  Instead of telling people what they should be allowed to do, maybe you should spend more time listening to people like Tim Anderson when they tell you WHY they kneel, and not buy into some artificial construct designed to distract you from the underlying issues by pitting you against them personally. If Tim Anderson wants to kneel to protest racism, more power to him.  If Trevor Bauer wants to kneel to protest BLM, more power to him as well.  NO where in this country is compulsory patriotism a thing.

    True words have never been spoken. The bolded especially is a nice truth dagger.

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    Tony La Russa named Manager

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    2 hours ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

    And I am really not saying that LaRussa would be the cause of all that . 2-7 are my normal view. Right when we start thinking Sox management might finally have opened their eyes those eyes start looking in the wrong direction .

    Sox ownership is Lucy holding the football and we are Charlie Brown falling for the same trick again and again as Lucy pulls the football away when Charlie Brown tries to kick it and ends up flat on his back . Call it the carrot, the brass ring, the con man's best weapon is the mark wanting that elusive thing of value.

    I personally haven't fallen for much in several years. I am mostly right with how I guess these things play out. 

    Although I think I did fall for this one.

    Tony La Russa named Manager

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    5 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

    !. Sox hire Tony LaRussa

    2. Sox fans look for silver lining

    3. Sox fans get aluminum lining.

    4. Some major young pieces get traded.

    5. Sox miss the playoffs.

    6. Fans continue to look for silver linings.

    7. Repeat 5 and 6 again and again.

     

    This is exactly it. Yet so many people get angry at me when I try to explain this bit of realism. Aiming for being lucky is no way to progress as a franchise OR a fan base.

    Can we just hear the announcement already so I can get all the anger out quick as possible before my weekend?

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