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damn I missed that - when was it?

that is how it works for me too -

that is indeed one of the reasons to never be happy about an injury to anyone and thanks for posting a response so fast - I have no idea whether Patterson is a good guy or not, but there is no joy in the injury of another human being thanks again

true! I was also curious about what the were doing regarding Frank - some of their fans are indeed voting for him - anyway I got in and out without damage and on a non game day I have to do a lot of things to amuse myself

you sure take directions well

don't ask me why I was there - but I did find this not all that good but it will do: There once was a major league dork Who stuffed his bats with cork He hops and he skips Blows kisses from his lips Next Tuesday he will be home watching Mindy & Mork

NO to Frank in the home run derby - doing that thing throws off a batters swing - has PK ever been the same since last year's? :fyou :fyou :fyou :fyou no to Frank in home run derby

that is incredibly strange - and also skewers the voting - but that is really wierd

my son the marine would advise: at basic, just shut up and do what you're told - good luck, be safe and healthy, and will you be out in time for the world series when we win?

part of me says WSI can go f*** itself - I do get very tired of hearing about them - and a larger part of me says they are Sox fans, they know what to do without us telling them - they are a separate entitu from this one and no one is going to go running around holding hands with the other - not that they are competition (we are so much better here, they are no competition) but that there are two very separate entities and I trust that both sites can figure out for themselves what to do here. It would be offensive for us to suggest anything to them as if they can't figure it out

it doesn't say the Sox have the worst fans - the question is very vague as stated - it is which city has the worst fans - those survey results could be interpreted to mean that AL players are getting pissed off at cubs players running on our field - but there are way too many ujnknowns and variables here to conclude anything look at best place to play and Wrigley gets votes - yet ranks high s worst field and worst locker rooms - maybe it got high votes because it is a minor league park (and it is... built for the old Federal league team in Chicago, it was built as a mnoir league park) and easy for the visitors to win there - without more interpretation of the numbers, can't conclude a thing -

CK, bless you! a lot of very discredited bad eugenics biology (and far worse statements in light of the geome project) is floating around - and you went right to heart of it: idiots of a feather wear cubbie blue together.

Between hoping someone gets convicted of a serious crime because someone doesn't like that person (ie crucify him, crucify him, crucify him) or hoping that someone is cleared because they are a great player (ie the OJ can't be guilty theory he won the Heisman) I can't accept either. In that none of us have the information that underlies the charge and a prosecution, defense, and jury verdict have not yet come, I will go to the constitutional principle of innocent until proven guilty - if he is innocent, he should be found innocnet because he is, not because he is a great player, and if he is guilty, I hope he is convicted as he should be. Let the system work - taking sides at this point or wishing ill or the opposite without facts but just on the basis of subjective personal opinions isn't the way it is supposed to go.

Rex, he insults us all along, ending with calling us "really pathetic men" (I presume he meant "men" and that was a typo, unless he thinks we are the same person, and says he never insults, just receives them. Oh well. time for the bmr space cadet smiley: I appreciate your citation of some stats in this, and the things you have said. I know you understand the game on a level that most of us don't and I appreciate your insights a great, great deal.

as a point of info, Psycho, the trib registration is no big deal - to my knowledge no email or spam comes from that - or else I wouldn't have gone just link - but seeing as how we are long time friends, just for you, here goes! Rick Morrissey Rick Morrissey In The Wake Of The News Baker raises heat in unusual way July 6, 2003 The Cubs had two problems in the first inning Saturday: It was hot, and Shawn Estes was white. Then it cooled off a bit, and Estes was still white. Worse, he was still Estes. It is Dusty Baker's opinion that blacks fare better in hot weather than whites do. How we arrived at this topic is something of a mystery, but the discussion started with the rigors of day games at Wrigley Field and ended with a Baker commentary on skin color and heat. advertisement advertisement Is the Cubs' manager right? There is enough evidence to suggest he isn't, but his theory does give Cubs fans another out should their team fall apart this season. To the normal excuses—too many day games, organizational cheapness, the Billy Goat curse, etc.—you can now add the Wilting White Man theory. "You have to pretend that you're a construction worker out there," Baker said before Saturday's game. "You have no choice. It's easier for me. It's easier for most Latin guys and it's easier for most minority people. Most of us come from heat. "You don't find too many brothers from New Hampshire and Maine and the Upper Peninsula of Michigan. Right? We were brought over here for the heat, right? Isn't that history? Weren't we brought over here because we can take the heat?" Baker is referring to blacks being captured in Africa and sold into slavery hundreds of years ago. They were brought here for no other reason than they were a convenient source of forced labor. "[blacks'] skin color is more conducive to heat than it is for lighter skin people, right?" Baker said. "You don't see brothers running around burnt. Yeah, that's fact. I'm not making this stuff up. Right? You don't see some brothers walking around with white stuff [sun block] on their ears and noses." If you took the converse of Baker's theory, blacks wouldn't have a chance if baseball were played on dog sleds in snow instead of in spikes on grass. Can we add to any more stereotypes here? And how does any of this explain Antonio Alfonseca, a Dominican who could give up a ninth-inning homer in Borneo or Stockholm? According to a study by Dr. Robert S. Helman of New York Medical College, "heatstroke affects all races equally. However, because of differences in social advantages, the annual death rate because of environmental conditions is more than three times higher in blacks than in whites." Another study by the Borden Institute, which researches medical issues in the military, states: "It has been suggested that as a group, blacks are less heat-tolerant than whites. This is certainly supported by U.S. Army medical reports." I don't want to make any more out of this than what it is—a man talking out loud without checking his facts first. Baker isn't saying the solution to the Cubs' difficulties is more people of color and fewer people of pastiness. He's saying what a lot of people take on faith, that blacks are better suited for work in warm weather than whites are. He just happens to be wrong. But thank goodness Baker is black and not white. In 1987, Dodgers general manager Al Campanis said blacks lacked the "necessities" to be baseball managers or general managers. The next year, CBS personality Jimmy "the Greek" Snyder said blacks were better athletes than whites because they were bred that way. "This goes all the way back to the Civil War, when a slave owner would breed his big black to his big woman so that he could have a big black kid, see," he said. The careers of both men were ruined. Baker doesn't want day games to be an excuse for his team's struggles, and that's a good thing considering the Cubs went decades without a title during a time when every team played day games exclusively. Day games as an explanation doesn't work around here. "People don't want to hear that as an excuse or an alibi," Baker said. "They don't want to hear that my team is exhausted, so we don't say it. It's just a fact." The Cardinals' Matt Morris struggled Saturday, giving up four runs in five innings. He has been bothered by a sore shoulder, but my sources tell me that isn't the real problem. The problem is that he has a sore white shoulder. The Cubs ended up beating the Cardinals 6-5 on Alex Gonzalez's game-winning single in the ninth. So, yeah, a Hispanic guy saved Estes, a white guy, from another heat-related loss. But Gonzalez's hit came off Esteban Yan, another Dominican. Now I'm really confused.

that is too totally self absorbed and self indulgent and being the poor baby on your part to even comment on so: [silence]

bmr says I guess at the end of every season, I care. At the end of the season when things like where a team finishes and if they get to the playoffs or not, no one gives a s*** about how they started - it is where they finished that matters, and the only, only, only thing that matters.

Youre doing nothing but making a fool of yourself. Nolay ryans 8-16 was matched with a below 3 era..........you guys are splitting hairs to try and disprove a point i never made. I said great pitchers dont start 2-10. Who cares how MB or any of the others finished? If you want to hold me to my SPECIFIC point, you must too. your point is bullls***. many great pitchers have been 8 (or more) down at a point in a season. Obviously. MB has rebounded from that in the same season - other highly regarded pitchers haven't which is why ended 8 (or more) down. How many seasons did Ryan lose 16 or more? Comparing ERAs across different eras in baseball is difficult because of many circumstances. Ryans 3.something era in that season wasn't that great, although it was good. You want to keep arguing - go on, that is what this forum provides, but you are arguing bulls*** nit picks to create something which I fail to understand. If your sole point is no other picther in human histrory ever started 2-10, I would say odds are there are a few. If you want to slam MB for that, go ahead. But then by your reasoning - and here, stick to specifics - if an 8 down start is so horrid, than a 8 down finish is pathetic and there should be a special category of losers hall of fame for everyone to be trashed who ever finished a season 8 down. Or... rex and I stating that all pitchers have slumps and being 8 down at some point or another is not the end of the world would allow us both to recognise the talent and quality of Ryan and MB and trash no one. Trash no one - could you handle that?

so you figure 2-10 is as many games under as 8-16 too, huh? It's not just me who comes up with that result? since MB would need to go 1-6 to get a record like Ryan's, I would suggest that while Ryan might not have been "2-10" at any moment, his record was probably worse at points in that season. And I'd rather have a pitcher slump early and recover than end the season at 8 under - but that is just me. Funny that neither you nor I are trying to trash Ryan, just point out the natural slump cycles of all highly regarded pitchers - I think someone is trying to trash MB and I cannot fathom why, can you?

the Ryan era was in a different era. MB would have to go 1-6 to equal that Ryan mark, and he won't - his worst season will be far better than that one of Ryan's - plus how many seasons did Ryan lose 16 (or more). It was more than once as I recall... this is not a knock on Ryan at all so don;t go there. This is a comment on how all pitchers have slumps. But just as a math project - I will advance the very stunning proposition that MB at 2-10 was 8 games down and Ryan at 8-16 was 8 games down so what the f*** in hell is the difference between "8" and "8"????????

the votes are coming in fast and furious - fans in 10 cities are block voting just as we are and then there are are thje other voters - and the deadline is wednesday - That's only 2 days of voting and two partial days - at what point do they tabulate the evr changing fast incoming votes other than at the conclusion? what difference does it make if you know the current standings? If Frank is trailing would we try and cook the results more than we are - which I should add is in accord with the rules as is. Think of it more like an election - halfway through the day they don't give us an update - we just have to do our thing all out and wait.

you don't

yeah, slumps happen. I can think of any number of highly regarded pitchers who were down 8 games at some point in a career - I saw his worst performace of the year (IMHO, against SF) and I saw him win 39 in essentially 2.5 seasons and now he has pulled off 5 straight wins - one can argue whether is good, very good, great, or whatever terminolgy one wants, but the guy is one total gamer and never gets rattled, one of the coolest even-keeled pitchers I have ever seen. I have nothing but admiration for him. I could list a whole bunch of very highly regarded pitchers who haven't achieved 46 victories in the time span that he has - and I'd get ripped for daring comparing him to others and told that wins don't mean anything, yada yada yada. That 5-1 quick game victory over the Twins at Minnesota was the work of an ace who helped his team get back home in a good place emotionally and rested for an important, strenuous home series. That to me encapsulates what MB is all about. Yeah he struggled and yeah he has rebounded beautifully. While Loiza has been our best pitcher this season, MB to me is still our ace and has certainly made a far better case as the season has moved along than, say, Colon. MB, you rock!

this is no f***ing time for logic

In that case, Patterson I would cut my hand off before I voted for a scrub - Jeus once said if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off - and I would in that instance!