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7 minutes ago, Milkman delivers said:
Even just telling them it’s cancelled without there being an obvious reason for cancellation would scare the s%*# out of people. And you’re right back into the crush risk.
My first thought would be a bomb in thr building.
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32 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:
I’m not sure I’m following your point here? Three people were hurt in a crowd rush? If there was an actual active shooter, that would be a small price to pay for saving many innocent lives. And I’m not suggesting they should have sounded a panic alarm and told everyone to rush for the exits. But I certainly wouldn’t have left people 20 people away from a shooting for the remainder of the game with no explanation of how it actually happened.
Also, do you think if that random stray strikes the woman’s head and not her leg, the game would have gone on? There were literally kids hopping up the stairs seconds before the bullet struck. If it hits one of them do they stop the game and take it more seriously? In your mind, what would it have taken to trigger some actual action?
Quite simply, some indication that there was an active shooter in the park. Based on the info I've heard, there was none. Mass murder shooters don't fire one shot then stop for a while. They shoot and shoot non stop until something stops them.
Not just Lil Durk, but many instances of crowd panic causing injuries and deaths. That was the real threat after the one bullet hit.
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9 minutes ago, Quin said:
If we're being honest, a 2023 White Sox documentary would be a more interesting watch than the 2005 DVD.
Nobody would believe it was real.
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29 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:
The goal is to avoid “more causalities” and yet they let people continue to sit within 20 feet of where three people were struck by bullets. How did they know more bullets wouldn’t come raining down on fans? Like I don’t even get the argument here. Doing nothing is 100% unacceptable
Here's the story on Lil Durk. "Crowd Rush" and "injuries" mentioned. And in this case there had already been one stabbing and police believed there were guns in the building, not outside.
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1 hour ago, Chicago White Sox said:
But that’s the thing…they don’t know or at least didn’t know where the shot came from at that time. But you really think if there is someone firing bullets into the park from the outside, the best course of action is to not stop the game, keep the fans and players where they are, and assume more shots won’t be coming in? There is no way for them to know for sure there wasn’t an active threat at the time and they did absolutely nothing to protect the fans or players. I get masking the cancellation of the concert with a made-up “technical” issue to prevent mass chaos, but I don’t find it particularly cool that a bullet flew into the LF bleachers two innings before I was walking my nine & six year old boys around the LF concourse. That’s fucking bullshit and honestly I find it way worse than if someone had snuck a gun in and security had actually apprehended a suspect.
Would you prefer the Sox send you and your kids down a ramp toward a potential active shooter? Prefer they trigger a stampede involving you and your kids? Because those were the scenarios they were probably comparing. The goal in this situation is to avoid more casualties. Their actions accomplished that in a completely unpredictable scenario.
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Have to side with the Sox/CPD on this one. Sending 20000 out of the building TOWARDS where they believe the shot came from, while rumors started spreading of a shooter could have caused a horrible panic costing many lives. Nobody died, nobody seriously hurt, therefore correct response.
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3 minutes ago, bmags said:
I dont' understand how this helps the case. February is the offseason, so adding more months to the total to make it seem like he had more time to develop is silly. Based on the time immediately after the trade, Law discussed with scouts who saw a top 50 prospect. That's not far off from where 1-1 guys tend to go, esp if prep.
While with sox...no idea, nobodies heard of him. None of their scouts are doing work because they dont' exist. Tatis appears at padres and is a top 50 player.
He didn't suddenly explode in some hidden fall instruct. This was based on his games played immediately after arriving.
Tatis was playing in Low-A as a 17 year old and had 5 extra base hits in 12 games. George Wolklow just was promoted to Single A and we are floored.
The sox were lazy, their laziness bit them horribly. It was the worst trade of the decade, and completely born out of how the sox are just so so so lazy.
The point is that 5 of 6 prospect lists didn't even mention Tatis in 2018, and this was the first mention Law had given him. And the writer of this thought it to be odd that Law ranked him this high. Some of the posts in this thread imply that Tatis was highly regarded by many at the time of the trade, and that is simply not true. He was probably roughly the same player in Feb 2018 as he was in July 2017, so it stands to reason that he if wasn't that highly regarded in Feb 2018 there is no chance he was six months earlier. The Padres apparently saw something the Sox didn't, but no one else did either. Kudos to the Pads, but not a major shame to the other 99.9% of the baseball world that apparently missed it, including the Sox.
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Comparing the 2017 MLB Top-100 Prospects Lists (calltothepen.com)
This links to an article from February 2017 comparing top prospect lists from various writers. Tatis had been with SD approximately 8 months at this point.
The article specifically mentions that Keith Law currently ranked him #47 and was not ranked on any other prospect list. The article calls it a "aggressive ranking for a player this young". So it is pretty clear he was not ranked by anyone, Law included, as 1-1 or anything near it while still with the Sox.
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1 hour ago, Harold's Leg Lift said:
The timing was because season ticket renewals went out this week. Reinsdorf figured he'd lose money if he didn't make a move. This was strickly a business decision.
That would make sense if they required a renewal decision in the immediate future. They don't. And anyone who wouldn't renew because of Hahn and Williams won't renew until they see who the new boss is anyway. I don't understand the timing, but it wasn't this.
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5 hours ago, TheBooneLoganEra said:
That 04 team would've gone to the playoffs had Maggs and frank stayed healthy, and in most years the 06 team would've gone too. The central was actually at its strongest then. That was a good team which peaked in 05, not the fluke a lot of people think.
Its funny because the "fluke" claim was originally started by Cubs fans, and for some reason Sox fans joined right in. The claim was that the 05 Sox had a huge number of career years. If you actually look at the numbers, not true at all.
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11 minutes ago, pcq said:
1968-1969 played in Milwaukee
1975 proposed Oakland franchise swap.
1970's Seattle rumors
1987 St. Pete rumors
2023 Nashville rumors
Veeck negotiated with Denver approx 1980
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10 minutes ago, HOFHurt35 said:
It would be interesting to know, who owns the land the park sits on along with the surrounding lots. Did Reinsforf sell it to the state in exchange to having the stadium built in the late 80s? Or did Reinsforf lease it to the state? Keep in mind, Reinsdorf is a Real Estate guru, wouldn't put it past him to even have suckered the state to building the stadium on his land.
The state of Illinois purchased old Comiskey Park and the land it sat on, including parking lots, for $6.1 million in 1988.
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7 hours ago, Lip Man 1 said:
As I wrote in my State of the Sox story from November things along the lines of infighting and back stabbing from front office employees vying for the title of "president," his wife passing away last year, his close friend (almost like a son) Kenny Williams going to retire soon and possibly health issues.
Like I wrote if he's willing to take a 200 million dollar (estimated) tax hit just from capital gains to say nothing of the Illinois state tax, something must really be wrong...because he's not losing money.
I wonder if there isn't some way to structure the deal to soften the tax blow. As I recall, when the Trib Co sold the Cubs they retained a small minority interest as that somehow mitigated taxes. Is there some way to do that here, and if anyone would know it would be JR.
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4 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said:
They just want a lakefront stadium downtown, and unfortunately we can’t really move back time to do it right anymore and the infrastructure just doesn’t support it like we want. I get the fascination but the reality of it just never sinks in for some
I can't imagine a worse location for the Sox than the lakefront. I'd be shocked if 20% of the people actually attending games are from the South Side of Chicago. I'd actually be shocked if 20% of the people attending are from within the city limits.
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My understanding is that players suspended for on field incidents cannot be replaced on the roster. Players suspended for off the field actions (domestic violence, PED, etc) can be replaced. So the Sox don't even have the option to fill the roster spot on this one..
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15 hours ago, Y2Jimmy0 said:
The woman is Keynan’s wife. Not his mother.
Then I'm even more confused. She refers to him as her son in multiple posts, including a tribute to Jackie Robinson where she thanks him for giving her son a chance to play. She also refers to him as her baby. And her profile picture looks more like 50 something age wise. His MLB bio says his wife is Nicole, not Stephanie.
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He's made approximately $15,000 for every inning he's pitched in the majors. Hire a freaking nanny for a few hours.
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9 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:
Well, these days that’s pretty much enough to put a player on the restricted list.
Especially if Hahn going after Jesse Rogers for writing the original Middleton story is true…then the mysterious name disappearance on the stadium boards.
The Sox explanation for the name disappearing actually makes sense, the Yankees really did have 2 #93 players on their roster on their website the day after. I could see where that could cause some scoreboard chaos. And I was at the game and definitely saw his name on the left field scoreboard for quite some time. If it was intentional, I don't think they would bother fixing it.
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Here's what I'm confused about. Her Twitter bio says "mom to 3 amazing young men Kamrynn, Karter and Kollynz" No mention of Keynan. She refers to him as her son in some posts.
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I love it when MLB players' moms feel the need to tweet to protect their little boys from the mean people at their former team. Little League can be a little rough for a thirty year old child.
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They should hold it in Nashville. Get the fans there warmed up.
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3 hours ago, SCCWS said:
In fairness, some teams do restrict discounts on certain prime opponents. I know for years, Tampa Bay restricted Red Sox, Yankees and Dodger home games. That happened when those teams had a ton more fans than the Ray could draw.
Absolutely had $5 beer, hot dogs, pizza which I enjoyed last night, which is the normal promotion. Was only the Cubs game where that did not happen.
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On 7/16/2023 at 9:41 AM, The Kids Can Play said:
That's fine with me. I just wish their was a stronger coaching staff down there to work with Noah on getting him to use let pitches and let him go longer.
You're right though, he needs to quit going only 2 or 3 innings. That is on the Sox coaching staff to make that happen. However when the last two years the Sox farm system has been ranked 29th and 26th, tells me they are not very competent developing and improving our prospects, especially pitchers. I don't have stats on this, but an educated guess tells me, the Sox are probably 30th ranked, if you just rank the pitchers in all 30 farm systems.
I think he missed some time earlier this season with an arm injury? Don't recall the details, but probably has something to do with this.
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The idiots raised ticket prices to season ticket holders after one of the most miserable seasons possible. This after raising prices during the rebuild in anticipation of the championship window which they pissed away. I find it hard to believe they are that oblivious, this almost seems intentional. Think I'll watch the movie "Major League" tonight to see if I can find any clues.
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Update: 3 (2) fans injured by bullet in Guaranteed Rate field (split from game thread, police investigation underway)
in Pale Hose Talk
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Nobody saw a weapon in the ballpark. If this was an active shooter in the park someone, anyone would have seen the weapon.
So send 20000 from a secured area with metal detectors with no indication of a weapon into a completely unsecured area which was possibly where the shooter was based.
They moved family members because they could be moved to a more secure area. I would assume MLB has specific rules for player families. There is no area in GRF more secure that holds 20000. Certainly not the parking lots and street around the park.