South Side Hit Men
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5 minutes ago, Buehrle>Wood said:
Just as a final f*** you to the fans, there is basically no security so getting in is impossible. Lines stretch all the way back to cork and kerry.
The Sox will never run short on f*** yous to their dwindling fan base.
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5 hours ago, Lip Man 1 said:
David Haugh tweeted that they interviewed Andrus this morning on the radio show and he said he wants to return to the Sox and is willing to play any position.
Even if the Sox wanted to I can't see it happening because the GM felt Garcia was worth a three-year contract for some bizarre reason.
Not sure his bat will hold up over a full season, but he is by far the most capable fielding shortstop on the roster. Bounce Tim out to CF, where he's better suited to play in his 30s and your defense would be strong next season (Colas, Anderson, Robert from left to right). Moncada, Andrus, Free Agent, Vaughn/Eloy/ Abreu @ 1B.
Still would work Eloy at first to see if that is something he can do. Not sure Vaughn will work out defensively there. Both are going to need to work hard at it to be at least capable 1B.
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13 hours ago, Texsox said:
According to Balta better coaching would have completely different results including a division winner. That doesn't seem like Hahn is out of his element. It sounds like Hahn's guys just need better coaching.
Porque no los dos. While coaching would have improved certain areas, but no amount of coaching would make Sheets and Vaughn major league capable corner outfielders, and beyond Colas which they are slow rolling to the majors, there are no alternatives because Hahn has no capable "guys". Ditto all the old stale expensive relievers he accumulated.
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16 minutes ago, hankchifan said:
Dodgers announced tonight that Kimbrel has been demoted from the closer role. Another great Hahn talent evaluation that doesn’t pan out albeit in another team.
Well one cool thing happened with the Craig Kimbrel trade, though the Sox could have used Heuer last Fall.
Meanwhile, back at the Score
Pollock Trade
Kimbrel Trade
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16 minutes ago, Green Line said:
And you surmised all that because he didn’t give you a Twitter thread on Tony La Russa’s DUI arrest 2 years ago. Just LOL.
I don't have a Twitter account. He never followed through on this or many other arrogant statements or the hundreds of douchebag tweet attacks on Sox fans. No quality organization would want someone who is allegedly here to entertain fans and promote their product to tweet as he has. Then again, no quality team would hire a recidivist criminal octogenarian 10 years out of managing. The Sox should wave goodbye to Stone's ass just like the Cubs, it would be a fitting end to his stay here.
Also, there would be nothing left to stay about Tony if Tony was gone for good. But there are no indications he plans to leave. All reports indicate he will continue to f*** over the Chicago White Sox, just in a different capacity, just as he did to the Arizona Diamondbacks. And Tony will be able to meddle from home indefinitely, unlike managing where the odds were he can/could not continue physically with the travel and other job demands.
So if you liked Joe Kelly, Adam Eaton, Leury Garcia, Big Energy, Pollock and others, you are in luck. There will be plenty more future Sox just like them if Tony continues to have personnel input.
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3 minutes ago, Green Line said:
Its impressive how you twist every single post into an attack on Tony regardless of the context. For a guy who hasn’t even coached the team in a month now, its getting a little concerning. Find some new material.
Has to do with Steve Stone's arrogance, lack of accountability and following through, but OK.
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4 minutes ago, Soxfest said:
Still waiting for Stone to be condescending to fans who were right about this team from April on.
I'm still waiting for Steve to "tell us what he thinks" about Tony's latest publicly known DUI.
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9/24/22 White Sox Division Math
- Cleveland 2-9 White Sox 11-0
- Cleveland 1-10 White Sox 10-1
- Cleveland 0-11 White Sox 9-2
9/24/22 White Sox Wild Card Math
- Seattle 5-7 White Sox 11-0 (Baltimore 7-5 or worse)
- Seattle 4-8 White Sox 10-1 (Baltimore 6-6 or worse)
- Seattle 3-9 White Sox 9-2 (Baltimore 5-7 or worse)
- Seattle 2-10 White Sox 8-3 (Baltimore 4-8 or worse)
- Seattle 1-11 White Sox 7-4 (Baltimore 3-9 or worse)
- Seattle 0-12 White Sox 6-5 (Baltimore 2-10 or worse)
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Just now, HOFHurt35 said:
Reinsdorf gonna be pissed if these guys lose hold of 2nd place.
With playoff expansion, 3rd place is the new 2nd place, and the new carrot.
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Just now, kitekrazy said:
Just maybe he doesn't want a baseball career. If he retired this season at least he was still a good player.
Agreed, give him what he wants. 1 year contract, future opportunities like Kenny had in the FO, perhaps in the dugout or working with Paddy in the Caribbean. A new project like youth player outreach. Give him a year or two space to figure it out. Just keep him involved if he has ANY interest in helping the organization.
No player here in my lifetime (50+ years) loved the White Sox as much as Jose has. None.
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f*** you Detroit. I only made the game thread because it was a few minutes before game time, and I wanted to have a chance to salvage my 2022 Game Thread record.
At this point, wouldn't mind if they lose their remaining road games and finish under .500, because that is the record this organization, Rick and Tony deserve on their permanent records.
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Just now, kitekrazy said:
It was like that under Kenny as well. So the conclusion is the scouting.
I would say it's the decision makers who choose bats over overall players. Tony was fine punting on corner OF defense throughout his career.
Besides, Jerry fired most of the scouts in 2020, cause he be broke.
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2 minutes ago, kitekrazy said:
It's not their decision. What championship team would take him where he would be the important piece. He is 35.
If I'm Miami, I try to recruit him to play and promise a transition to the FO or coaching, build a Cuban connection in Miami (Soler is their only current Cuban on the 40 man roster).
Give Jose what he wants, make it happen. He won't say stupid s%*# praising Castro or the dictatorship like Ozzie. I would do the same here, the Sox will find a way to f*** it up.
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Just now, fathom said:
Marlins want athletes. I don’t see them wanting Eloy when they have Soler and Avi.
There was rumored interest last year (Ng interested in Eloy and Mercedes) so that's what I'm going off of. Eloy can still DH for them, think he would be a fan favorite down there as well.
Just totally the opposite of Hahn in terms of acquiring players with little to no defensive value. You should have seven-eight defensive starting players, and cycle through your best 4-5 hitters at DH for rest from the field.
The Sox have seven-eight DH types, and try to slot them through half the available fielding positions.
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5 minutes ago, fathom said:
Abreu likely is back at 1B and Eloy is your DH. I don’t ever want to see Vaughn play in the outfield again. He’s a solid hitter, but nothing they will miss if they can trade him to fill some other holes.
I guess the main point of contention is I think they can get a decent starting pitcher from Miami for Eloy, but I don't think they would get much for Vaughn and thus he's more valuable here for his salary. Eloy's late season play has likely sparked more interest in him than he had going into the last offseason.
If you can get SP or a solid starter in their 20s (productive, young and healthy) for Vaughn, than I wouldn't be against it. Would still trade Eloy as well if you can sell high, don't see him ever sustaining health in his career.
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1 minute ago, kitekrazy said:
Cubs overestimated at the deadline. I guess the trend is youth. A catcher switching leagues is not easy. Unfortunately long term deals are the only way if signing someone.
There are only a few teams spending money these days, and the smart teams aren't plopping down big $ for catchers.
Thought the Yankees might want to upgrade catcher this offseason, but they were happy with dumping Sanchez and going with decent defensive catchers (Trevino). That's what the Sox should have continued to do (McCann's first Sox deal, pass on the 3-4 year $10M - $18M AAV deals like his Mets deal or Grandal's Sox deal). Grandal was Hahn's first major mistake in terms of roster management and spreading resources to cover as many positions with quality as possible.
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Damn, thought the Sox were going to score there. Still want them to do good for the poor diehard fans out in the cold.
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Just now, elrockinMT said:
Are we going to have any players left with all these dfa’s, trades, etc? Vaughn gas actually done pretty good
Yes, I don't agree with the trade Vaughn sentiment. He has a good contract, is valuable if played at DH or 1B.
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2 minutes ago, kitekrazy said:
Another NL player showing signs of being on the downside. Eventually he would be the Sox next Grandal.
He's a solid player, but just like Grandal, signing catchers over 30 to expensive long term contracts is nearly always a poor use of resources. Sure there are a couple exceptions in MLB history, like Fisk, but they are the exception, not the rule.
The smart route is to finally get instructors and develop catchers internally. Zavala improved this season under Narron, if he could develop other catchers in the minors, than he might be worth keeping. Catching is an important position, and a dedicated organizational instructor would be money well spent, pennies on FA dollars spent on guys like Grandal, Welington Castillo.
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5 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said:
Why? He’s like 5 PA away from the extra million. There’s no chance he doesn’t reach that unless he gets injured tonight.
They are playing for nothing. Let Haseley / Payton play. Should have been done at the trade deadline (he was still at $10M) once Jerry pulled the plug on the deadline and season.
The way the Sox are run, he'll play out the string and lock in an extra $2M.
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23 minutes ago, Texsox said:
Dumping injury prone is half the solution. Getting decent return is the harder part. Reference Madrigal to Cubs.
Not looking for return on most of these guys, just young, hungry, able to play their assigned positions.
2005 Kenny Williams could fill in the gaps and make it work. Rick Hahn is out of his element, Vaughn the only piece he added beyond pawning off everything he inherited.
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38 minutes ago, South Side Hit Men said:
Pollock, you are absolutely worthless. Bench his ass.
I stand corrected. Still want him benched for 2023 purposes.
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Somehow, Abreu will likely avoid leading the American League in Grounded into Double Plays for a fourth consecutive season. Even with Jose's 18th and latest, Vladimir Guerrero Jr. is six ahead of him with two weeks left in the season.
Jose needs six to tie and seven to pass Harold Baines for third on the all time White Sox GIDP list.
- 271 Paul Konerko (9,258 PA - 3rd)
- 190 Frank Thomas (8,603 PA - 4th)
- 172 Harold Baines (6,797 PA - 6th)
- 166 Jose Abreu (5,470 PA - beyond 10th place Minnie Minoso 5,917)
Your 2023 Off-Season Plan
in Pale Hose Talk
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Yes, it's a pipedream, but it would make sense if Eloy had any athletic abilities beyond hitting a baseball.
I guess they will spend 2023 (or 2024/2025) developing Vaughn at 1B depending on Abreu's status.