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Too funny. Just the other day I was watching Godfather II with my 13-week old son, and "explaining" to him who everybody is, plot lines, and doing dialogue for him. (The wife thought it was funny, insane, but funny.) (Sometimes when my baby is crying, I will put my hands on his shoulders and say "Waaaa! You can act like a man!". (Don Vito to Johnny Fontaine, Godfather I)

You have to "cut and paste"...sorry!

Each article is 3 pages long. At least I read Apu's b.s. before I mock it.

Another "open-minded" individual heard from!

But you'll read Apu's crap?! :headshake

Check out this article! www.jewishworldreview.com/jeff/jacoby/_2004_04_26.php3?printer_friendly

Texsox (and others...although I am SURE Apu won't read it!)...please check out the following articles. "Why the Palestinians are in Such a State" by Mark Steyn (www.jewishworldreview.com/0404/steyn_2004_04_28.php3?printer_friendly) "Mideast instability? Bring it On" by Mark Steyn (www.jewishworldreview.com/0404/steyn_2004_04_26_.php3?printer_friendly) More later.

Best idea ever!

You are right...it's a (sad) vicious circle. But what are the Israelis supposed to do about it? Roll over and die? As we are seeing in Iraq, you can't instill a democratic government where the people don't want one.

In general terms, I am pleased with the way the Sox have played as of now. Remember, we have played 7 games against the Yankees (playoff contenders), we have played 6 (7?) with the Royals (playoff contenders), and have played a much improved D-Rays club, and we are currently 11-8. (Compare that with the crosstown loser cubs, who are only 1/2 game better, but have played Pittsburgh, Cincy, and the Mets.) The Sox are playing okay ball, but will get much better when Thomas, Lee, Ordonez, Crede, Valentin and Rowand's bats get hot. (inevitable) I am still worried about Wright as the 5th starter, and our still suspect bullpen. I wouldn't give up on Wunsch yet. Maybe they should try Cotts (Grilli?) as the 5th starter, put Wunsch in the pen (when he's healthy) and make Wright a long reliever. Or, if the Sox truly believe that Uribe is not a flash-in-the-pan, package Valentin and Wunsch in a deal for a starter (to Seattle, for Soriano and Winn?)

Not at all. ALL Israelis want to live in peace with their Arab neighbors. I Would love nothing more than to see an end to the war(s) between Arabs and Jews. For this to happen, the Arabs have to agree to end ALL violence towards Israel and Jews, and to actually end it! As long as there ar egroups like Hamas, Hezbollah, Al Aqsa, etc., and these groups have a say-so in policy making decisions, they will never "declare peace" with Israel. And since, Israel has every right to defend herself and her citizenry....

Once again, I (strongly) urge the MODS to "kill" all Israel/"Palestine" discussions. They lead nowhere, and I cannot spend time at work answering Apu's uneducated ravings!

I agree, my "Rogers Park Brother". I am done trying to convince Apu of anything. He's an ignorant anti-Semite, anti-American and anti-Israel(i) and always will be! I am done!

You really are ignorant, Apu. If the "palis" don't like it, they can always go back to their REAL (historical) homeland...Jordan. Ooops, that's right, no one wants them there either. History's mutts! Keep on wasting your parents' tuition money...you're getting some education.

Arabs only started calling themselves "Palestinians" since 1948. As of that date, their sole purpose has been to eliminate the Israel. The Palestinian Charter calls for the "destruction of the Jewish state".

I agree. If you want to talk solely from an historical or geopolitical point of view, for every "source" that disputes Israel as the Jewish homeland, I can produce 100 that proves the opposite.

Arab countries are mostly dictatorships and/or monarchies. There are No real Arab democracies.

It's funny when Apu alleges that Zionists conspired with Nazis, when the "Palestinians" are EXACTLY LIKE NAZIS!!! The "palis" entire existance is based on killing (ALL) Jews and destroying Israel. Sounds like Naziism to me!

Too funny!!!!

G-d gave the Israel to the Jews (Abraham). It's in the Old Testament, I don't know where exactly. Arabs can own homes and property in Israel, and have the same rights as Jewish homeowners. (BTW...there are no Arab countries in which a Jew can own property.) Arabs in Israel can run for, and are elected to public office. There are currently several Arabs in Knesset. The typical Arab could never run for office in Egypt, Saudi Arabia, or any other Arab country. The reason that I am a "liberal" on some issues and a "conservative" on others is BECAUSE I LOOK AT EACH ISSUE INDIVIDUALLY, RESEARCH THEM, AND FORM MY OWN OPINION THEREFROM. For a person to label themselves a "liberal" or a "conservative" is stupid...each issue is independant from one another.

Except that he's "unarmed"! That's why I'm kicking his ass...he keeps coming at me with made-up "information"!

As I said, ALL of the "sources" Apu cites have a far left wing agenda. I know, I read a lot of them on a regular basis (I am a pro-choice, tree-hugger!) I also read Front Page, World News Daily, etc., I like to get ALL sides of an issue, then make an EDUCATED decision. Apu obviously ONLY reads from his left wing "sources", thus only see his side of the issues. Bad policy, Apu, especially, when you try to come off as educated/intelligent!

I agree...I'm with you! I will not respond to anymore of Apu's (asinine, devoid of facts) postings. He is obviously afraid of real facts (like those in history books!), and is not intelligent enough to look at any "sources of information" unless they are (far) left wing liberal b.s. I urge the MODS to close this thread, and to not allow anymore threads on this volatile topic!

Apu, why are you so scared of facts? Just look at the "sources" cited in this thread! I know you never would read anything considered "conservative", but, how about something "moderate"? You cite the NY Times, LA Times and various (left wing) pro-"Pali" books. All of these "sources" OBVIOUSLY have a (far) left wing liberal agenda...thus will ALWAYS be anti-Israel. BTW...Pre 1948 Israel was "Palestine" in name only, it was a Jewish State even then!

Again many good points, but you're missing THE point. If the land was never that of the "Palestinians", how could it have been stolen from them? Obviously, Israel is not 100% for Jews, nor is it 100% Jewish. In fact, Arabs are treated better and have more rights in Israel than they do in ANY Arab country. That being said, I don't see how you, Apu or anyone else can fathom rewarding "Pali" terrorists by giving them part (or all) of Israel. They deserve nothing. If/when the get Gaza, they will have to be self-sufficient...they will perish on their own because they are technologically, politically, and economically retarded!