Steve Bartman's my idol

Mark Mulder is a great pitcher, I'd love to have him on my team. Statistically he's better, so I guess in your book, Mulder's better. There are intangibles that need to be considered that don't necessarily show up on stat sheets. MB is a great defensive pitcher. He's a leader, a great clubhouse guy, and a "stopper".

WS experience demonstrates how a pitcher would perform under pressure.

You can't say how he'd perform in the playoffs. Look at Barry Bonds...arguably the best player in the last 20 years. Check out his playoff numbers...they suck. One could argue that he's not clutch; that he doesn't perform well under pressure. We cannot make an assumption on Santana either way, because we have yet to see him pitch in a playoff.

And they guy with the lower era could have that cuz his team is better defensively and/or cuz he pitches in the NL.

Based on what? Santana's vast World Series experience?

I was referring to Halliday, Peavy, Zambrano, Prior and Santana!

True...but WINS are THE most important stat. I'd rather have a 20 game winner with a 4.00 era than a 13 game winner with a 3.00 era.

I asked, if you had a WS on the line and had to pick one of these guys to win your game 7, who do you pick? I'd go with MB (or Pedro) (proven CLUTCH pitchers).

Over the last 5 yeras, who has the most wins out of all the pitchers mentioned? You guys have access to all the stats...educate me.

I agree. Over the course of their respective careers, Clemens is much better than Buehrle. However, in 2006 AND beyond, I'd rather have Buehrle than Clemens. (Rocket is 43!!!)

Dude...you just said that I can't base my opinion of MB based one his having one good season...he has had as many, if not more good seasons than any of the pitchers I have just mentioned.

Except that if I said for example, that 2+2=5, that is a statement that can be proven wrong, whereas if I say I'd rather have Mark Buehrle pitching for me than Roger Clemens, you cannot prove me wrong.

Based on the last 5 seasons! BTW, if that's the case, how could you say Peavy, Halliday, Santana, Prior, Zambrano are even as good as Buehrle? They have had 1, maybe 2 good years each.

You're right about Clemens being the best of all time...but RIGHT NOW, I'd take Buehrle. 5 years ago, I'd have taken Rocket.

The point is, Buehrle's credential are every bit as good, if not better, than any of the pitchers previously mentioned.

That's what I thought...seems like I get POUNDED every time I make an opinion.

That may be true. The US also armed/funded Taliban fighters in Afghanistan when they were fighting the Russians. Same for arming Iraq when they were fightring Iran. Stuff happens, I guess.

See if you people can comprehend what I am sayin...IN MY OPINION Buehrle is better than the above mentioned pitchers, and IN MY OPINION if a WS was on the line, and I could have any of those guys to pitch for me in Game 7, I would choose Buehrle.

Idiot! :headshake

Awhile back, my brother adamantly opined that the majority of the "Palestinian" people want ALL of Israel as their homeland, and subsequently want to eliminate all Jews therefrom. Many of you argued with him...many of you were just proven wrong. Palestinian PM says government will quit after Hamas win Israeli PM: 'Will not negotiate' with those who won't fight terrorism RAMALLAH, West Bank (CNN) -- In a stunning development ahead of official election results, Prime Minister Ahmed Qorei said Thursday he and others in the Palestinian Authority government will resign in the wake of Hamas' apparent parliamentary victory. The announcement followed estimates from Wednesday's election that said Hamas had won a majority of seats in the 132-seat Palestinian Legislative Council, supplanting the ruling Fatah party. Qorei's office said it will be up to Hamas to form a new government. "It's the choice of the people and it should be respected," Qorei said. "I think, if the majority is approved and has been reached, I think Hamas should form a new government, it's true. The president should ask Hamas to form a new government. "For me personally, I sent my resignation to the president to enable him to choose a new prime minister," Qorei said. Initial election results are scheduled to be released Thursday at 7 p.m. (noon ET). Exit polls earlier had shown Hamas thrusting itself into the center of Palestinian politics but had not indicated an outright majority win by the group. The exit poll from Bir Zeit University, a respected Palestinian school, showed Fatah garnered 46.4 percent of the vote and Hamas won 39.8 percent in the Palestinian Legislative Council. That translates into 63 seats for Fatah and 58 for Hamas, according to the exit poll. But other polls showed Hamas earning a slim majority, a claim echoed by some Hamas officials, prompting a warning from Israel. Acting Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert said Israel could not accept a situation in which Hamas in its current configuration -- committed to the destruction of Israel -- was a part of the Palestinian Authority. "I will not negotiate with a government that does not meet its most basic obligations -- to fight terrorism. We are prepared to assist the Palestinians and [Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas] very much but they must meet their commitments," Olmert said, according to a statement released by his office. The European Union, meanwhile, said it was prepared to work with any government -- to a point. "We are prepared to work with any Palestinian government, if this government seeks peace, using peaceful means," said Benita Ferrero-Waldner, EU external relations commissioner. Hamas, which boycotted the last election in 1996, capitalized on widespread dissatisfaction with what is seen as corruption within the Palestinian Authority and Fatah, and a perceived inability by the authority to manage the affairs of the Palestinians. Fatah was formed in 1965 by longtime Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat, who died in November 2004, and dominated Palestinian politics for decades as the mainstream Palestinian nationalist movement. "Mostly, they were voting for opposition and voting against Fatah -- against corruption, against nepotism, against the failure of the peace process, and against the lack of leadership," said Mustafa Barghouti with the Palestinian National Initiative, a democratic opposition movement. He said Wednesday "was a great day for Palestine. This is the best democratic practice ever in the Arab world." (Watch Gaza residents talk about why election day is so important -- 2:32) Hamas has called for the destruction of Israel. The group's military wing, Izzedine al Qassam, has admitted responsibility for terrorist attacks against Israeli civilians as well as attacks against the Israeli military. The group is listed as a terrorist group by Israel and the U.S. State Department. Turnout near 78 percent Election officials estimated about 77.7 percent of the eligible 1.3 million voters turned out to cast their ballots at more than 1,000 polling stations. Voting closed around 7 p.m. (noon ET) in Gaza and the West Bank, and it was extended in predominantly Arab east Jerusalem for two hours to accommodate heavy turnout. (Watch how preliminary results divide up seats -- 3:05) Among those who joined the voters were Abbas and Mahmoud Zahar, the leader of Hamas. Militant Palestinian groups had agreed to a cease-fire during the voting, and there were no reports of major violence. "We are embarking on a new era, and we call on the international community to help us return to the negotiating table with the Israelis, to conclude a peace agreement and implement it," Abbas said at the end of the election. Palestinian Foreign Minister Nasser al-Kidwa told CNN: "It's a happy day. There is no doubt about that. And I think that the Palestinian people are generally happy because of this." (Read how the vote demonstrates Palestinians' will to flex their political muscle) Flag waving and anger At polling sites in Gaza, many voters jubilantly waved the green flag of Hamas and expressed anger at Fatah. "Fatah hasn't done anything for us, for our children," said one Hamas voter at a polling site in Gaza. Another said: "Fatah only helps itself. We want to see what Hamas can do for us." The results of the election were being closely monitored by the United States and European Union, both of which have threatened to cut aid if Hamas becomes part of the government. The U.S. State Department was blunt. "We view Hamas as a terrorist organization. We don't deal with Hamas. And under the current circumstances, I don't see that changing," State Department spokesman Sean McCormack said. Impact on the peace process? There have been talks about a power-sharing coalition, in which Fatah maintains the more political posts and Hamas has lower-level ministry positions. Asked how Palestinians could move forward with peacemaking with Israel, al-Kidwa told CNN, "Maybe this is one of the reasons why we prefer not to have it in the government at this stage." He added: "We have to maintain making peace with Israel as a priority. Actually, this is in our interest, in the interests of the Palestinian people. We need to reach final settlement with Israelis." Following is the Hamas campaign platform -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- , THE JERUSALEM POST Jan. 26, 2006 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The List for "Change and Reform" believes that participation in the Legislative elections falls within the comprehensive program for the liberation of Palestine and the return of the Palestine People to its independent state with its capital Jerusalem. The Change and Reform list seeks the construction of a developed Palestinian Civil society based on multiplicity; the Palestinian political order should be such as to help achieve the Palestinian National Rights. The Change and reform List adopts a number of approaches to fulfill fixed aims emanating from Islamic references - namely: 1. Islam is our Reference. 2. Palestine is Arab and Muslim Land. 3. Palestinians are one nation regardless of location. 4. The Palestinian People are still in the process of National Liberation and have the right to use all means including armed struggle to achieve this goal. 5. The right of return to all Palestinians. 6. Adherence to the inalienable rights of the people. 7. Protect and cement National Unity as a priority. 8. The issue of prisoners and detainees tops the agenda ; on the internal policy level the C&R aims at achieving a great number of objectives - among them: Maintaining Palestinian fixed National Aims; Palestinian presence in Jerusalem; political freedom; dialogue as a means to solving internal differences; freedom of expression; assembling movement. 9. The platform of the C&R prohibits: Political detention; shedding Palestinian blood; protection of civil society; directing the security apparatus to safeguarding the security of the citizens. Among other things the Platform calls for protecting the "Resistance" and enhancing its role to resist Occupation and achieve Liberation. The C&R will also build a normal Palestinian individual who takes pride in his religion, land, freedom and dignity and is ready to sacrifice for them. The C&R will continue to resist the erection of the Racist Wall and it will seek its destruction. The rights of minorities are to be protected on the basis of good citizenship; public funds are for all; the prisoners and wounded are the embodiment of sacrifice and should be accorded full care. Palestinian WAQF is also to be safeguarded, be it Muslim or Christian. The relationship between the PLO and the PA should be mended so as to serve the Nation and respect fields of specialty. On the inter-Arab and Islamic relations the C&R calls for consolidating them; activating the role of Arab & Islamic masses in supporting our anti-occupation stand. The C&R will build balanced political relation with the international community to ensure playing an effective role. The C&R will stress on international level, the illegibility of occupation which is to be doomed as the most grisly form of terrorism. The C&R will reject grants with strings, at the same time it will rehabilitate cities and villages and restore infrastructure. Chief among its objectives internally, the C&R will combat corruption with its aspects, administrative or financial. The C&R will apply the policy "where from did you get this"; to achieve this goal control systems will be set up to monitor the activities of civil servants and others. The Islamic Law will be the source of Palestinian Legislation, the three branches, legislative, executive and judicial are to be separated. Constitutional tribunal is to be activated. A number of measures, based on Islam are to be implemented. A new elections law is to be passed so as to ensure justice and fair representation of our people. All citizens are equal before the Law; arbitrary arrest is taboo. Dialogue should be encouraged and the respect of the other; point of view guaranteed for all; unions are to be independent and domination is unacceptable; political powers are recognized and their role is to be used for the sake of establishing of civil institutions; equal opportunities for all and the principle of the right man for the right job will be applied. Out of our conviction of the vitality of building a well-rounded Palestinian individual, the C&R attaches great importance to education which will keep abreast of modern innovations. Islam of course will be the core of the Palestinian education philosophy - reforms are to be introduced to the current education system, the C&R details its policy in this regard in 17 items proposed to rehabilitate the system. C&R lists five measures to raise the efficiency of the clergy and regulate and care for mosques and emphasize their educational role. The Palestinian family, as the nucleus of the Palestinian society, figures high in the C&R platform; 16 items detail the proposed suggestions that will strengthen the family and its role. Palestinian family Laws are to be derived from and conform to the Shari'ah law as far as the society is concerned; reconciliation committees should be activated in order to discharge their role as trouble-shooters. Culture and media play a vital role in shaping the mentality and thought of citizens, and building up of the nation's personality. Freedom of thinking, expression and fairness and safeguarding the youth from external corruptible influence are chief among the C&R concerns. Official media should work for enhancing the people's steadfastness and resistance. Women's rights will be guaranteed so that they can contribute to the building of society, socially, economically and politically. Women's organizations should be encouraged. The C&R enumerates the actions that they should take to raise the status of women. Youth care is among the aims to be achieved by the C&R - talents among the young are to be tapped and encouraged. Public land should be taken care of so that they can be fully utilized to build villages and public housing to be distributed fairly and equally among those in need. Heath Care system is to be reformed and made available to all people, especially the needy. Health care centers will be built to serve all sections of the people wherever they live. Public health and hygiene will also be taken care of. The environment is to be protected. Agriculture and animal husbandry will be encouraged. Small farms will get credits in order to effectively make use of the land. The use of insecticides should be regulated for full benefits. On the economic level, the economy and monetary system should be independent from the Zionist entity and its economic and monetary system. The C&R will mint Palestinian currency; self-sufficiency is an ultimate objective to be worked for through a number of measures. International economic agreements will be reconsidered and revised so as to serve the interests of the Palestinian people, chief among them: *The Paris Economic agreement. *The Free Trade Agreement with the USA. *Partnership Agreement with the EU. *The Economic Agreement with Egypt and Jordan. The Economic and trade relations with the Arab and Islamic world should be developed. The Palestinian economy should be helped to disengage itself from the dependency on Israeli economy. Income tax laws must be reconsidered and reformed. Labor and unions and occupational societies will be encouraged and developed; minimum wage limit should be established to guarantee a decent standard of living for all, wages and salaries should be linked to the index. Roads must be updated and modernized; movement among cities and villages should be emphasized and smooth; opening of free crossings between Palestinian territory and Jordan and Egypt. Any foreign interference is rejected; the port and the airport are to be reopened. CONCLUSION: Al-Aksa Intifada has created new realities on the ground, which made history of the OSLO program. The different parties, including the Zionist occupation are for the "burying of Oslo". ISLAM IS THE SOLUTION AND IS OUR PATH TO CHANGES AND REFORM. OUR PLATFORM IS OUR WAY TO ENHANCE THE BUILDING OF THE SOCIETY WHICH WAS DESTROYED BY THE OCCUPATION. THE SAFEGUARDING OF RESISTANCE AND ITS AGENDA IS THE WAY TO STRENGTHEN NATIONAL AND ISLAMIC UNITY - ON THE WAY TO COMPREHENSIVE NATIONAL LIBERATION. THIS IS THE PLATFORM OF THE WHOLE PEOPLE AND HOMELAND. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

It's only my opinion guys, it's not the Gospel!

Is Clemens a hall of famer? No question. If I had to choose between the Rocket and MB right now, to win a Game 7, I'll take MB.

IMO...IF I needed a pitcher to go out and win me a Game 7, out of all the guys you listed, I'd go with Buehrle. He's got brass balls and ice water coursing through his veins.

Baseball is about winning WHEN IT COUNTS! For example, Clemens dominated in the regular season last year...what happened to him in the WS? What happened to Pettitte? Prior folded in 2003.

Look out for the Rockies!