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Regardless of what happens in the end (a Biden win or a Trump win), the Democratic party needs to take a close look at themselves and figure out how to improve. There was no blue wave, and taking over the Senate seems unlikely. Biden may win, but it'll be a close finish and not the same-night whalloping they wanted/expected. They are out of touch with Latinos, they lost some of the black male vote, and there's still people voting for the other party because of who the Democratic nominee was. If you look at the field of Democratic hopefuls that entered the race, who was better qualified to take down Trump? I don't know if there was anyone better, and it's looking like Biden might be just good enough. And that "just good enough" was helped by some prominent Republicans backing him because he wasn't Trump. Also, COVID, and Trump's handling of it, helped Biden. If Biden wins, my guess is Kamala runs in 2024. Would she be a strong enough candidate to fight off Trump Jr or (shudder) Tucker Carlson? How does the party as a whole get more voters? How can they go into 2024 feeling good about their chances? I obviously don't have the answer, but the party needs to take a close look at themselves.

True. Maybe a little more insane than usual.

Latest slug of votes in PA went 92% to Biden. Votes coming in from the Philadelphia area are running about 80% Biden, but the expected remainder should/could be higher for Biden as they are mail-in votes. If there are enough votes left to count, it's looking promising for Biden. Trump's attack on voting by mail is backfiring in states that count their mail-in votes last. It looked like big leads for him in PA, GA, MI, and WI before mail-in votes were counted. Now he may possibly lose all four states. Possibly.

Nevada looks safe for Biden, based on the expected split of votes still to be counted. Georgia may be slipping to Biden (it's going to be very close either way). Arizona still looks like it could stay in Biden's column. And Pennsylvania is up for grabs, with remaining votes looking blue. Many more paths for Biden than Trump, but things could change. Hopefully this is resolved by today or tomorrow. Then, if Biden wins, we'll have to deal with lame duck Donald for a couple months. It'll be loud, insane, and whiny.

Slim but not zero. I think their best hope is for both GA races to go to a runoff and then win both of those. In that scenario, the Senate would be split 50/50, and Harris would be the tiebreaker...if Biden wins. As it stands now, it looks like it might be 51/49 GOP after the runoff in January.

Reading that, it looks like Biden would need 65% of the remaining votes to win PA. That seems quite possible based on what has been coming in today.

Winning Georgia would be huge and would close another path for Trump.

McConnell is probably licking his black and blue lips at the prospect of controlling another Democratic president.

With the GOP likely maintaining control of the Senate, I wouldn't be surprised to see some beginning to distance themselves from the raving lunacy that is Trump right now.

Twitter probably assigned a group of folks to monitor Trump's feed alone and add disclaimers.

Very fine man, well-dressed. He's a hero.

Much different feel to things now than last night. Once this is over and (if) Biden wins, Trump is going to go apeshit on Twitter.

If Biden wins, I think we'll see a big change in the approach to handling COVID. Whether or not local governments and the public in general heed the approach is a different story. The biggest change we'll see, especially if the GOP maintains control of the Senate, is a new cabinet. Which will be a good thing.

Biden.

One thing is clear from this election, especially based on what we saw from Florida and Texas: The Democratic party is out of touch with Latinos. That is something they need to fix moving forward. Even if Biden wins, 2024 looks iffy. It will be increasingly difficult to keep a Democrat in office if the Republican party regroups and puts up a better candidate.

It was interesting to watch each state as the votes were counted. Some counted early voting first, like Florida, and some are counting early voting last, like MI, WI, and PA. What we're seeing is that early voting nation-wide was skewed Democratic while day of voting was skewed Republican. It looks like the early voting along the blue wall could be the tipping point for the entire election.

I'm surprised and pleased that this thread is still alive. When I started it a while back I fully expected it to be closed by election day. But SoxTalk continues to be one of the best sites to visit with a bunch of great folks having (for the most part) courteous conversations. The few times I woke up last night, I went right to this page to see if there were any updates. I certainly appreciate those who have been relaying what they've heard. I went to bed last night certain that 2016 was repeating. Now it seems like Biden has a more clear path to winning. We won't know for a couple days, I'm sure, but we may have a better idea by later today or tomorrow. Regardless, this is an historic election. If there wasn't so much on the line, it could be more enjoyable to watch.

Maybe not over, but it makes it much harder for Trump. He would need to win MI and WI, for sure.

VA was already called for Biden.

Biden winning Ohio would be huge and would make Trump’s path to winning a lot harder.

Most who support and will vote for Trump are proud of it.

Yeah, true Trumpers are the loud minority. Not sure why they call themselves the silent majority.

So far, it looks like there are big turnouts today. This, in addition to the huge early vote counts ensures a voter turnout unlike anything we've seen. It's hard to say for sure, but I would think bigger turnout favors Biden and the Democrats. I keep thinking about 2016 and seeing that over 100 million people didn't vote. Hopefully we've learned from that. My two oldest are 19 and 18, and they voted in their first presidential election today. They are just two of a large group of new voters who have seen what has happened over the past four years. Regardless of who young voters vote for, they will have an impact on this election, 2022, 2024, and beyond.

Yeah, I live in a suburb, so I have a lot invested here. ?

greg, dude...come on.