Soxbadger

I played the original Everquest, when I finally quit I had a 58 lvl Druid with epic weapon. I probably will never have the time to be in a guild like that or be really advanced so if Im going to get a computer to play it, I want to make sure that I can level solo.

That is the Noah the Bulls need, the one who out works 3 guys for a rebound.

Brewer been filling in for Deng pretty well.

And with that, Im done. I think that Ive been respectful to others points of view, but you know what, its just not worth my time if people are going to attack me for really no reason. If you disagree that there should be more investigations into PSU and that there should be an independent investigation that is not being paid for by the PSU trustees, then attack me, and say how stupid I am for wanting a better investigation so that we can catch more people who were responsible. Because otherwise, I just dont understand what the deal is. Paterno is dead, you cant get blood from a stone. But right now, there are likely people who played a role in this, who are sitting comfortably in their homes, not worried because no one seems to care about getting to the bottom. I guess you guys can all high five each other because this case is resolved. /shrugs

Drunkbomber, When an article titled "f*** Joe Paterno" is posted, where Sandusky is mentioned 1 time, compared to 15 times by Paterno, it appears to me that a disproportionate amount of blame is being placed on Paterno. Remember, my comments are a response to the article "f*** Joe Paterno", where Paterno's name was used 15+ times, Sandusky's 1 time and the man who actually raped the girl who wrote the article, his name was mentioned 0 times. If you disagree and think the article isnt doing that, its fine, but that was my reaction to reading the article "f*** Joe Paterno".

Who is arguing that it excuses Joe Paterno? My concern is that when a disproportionate amount of rage/blame is placed on Paterno, people begin to forget that there may have been a systematic cover up by PSU. Paterno is dead, hes the past, it does no good to keep on Paterno, focus needs to be shifted. I guess thats my point, saying f*** Paterno isnt going to help, it wont hurt, but I guess Id rather focus on trying to get to the bottom of this mess, than keep repeating "Joe Paterno is bad." But thats just me, seems a lot of people prefer just yelling about Paterno and not really discussing what happened and why is PSU still not doing much. Paterno is dead, no one can say that the reason PSU still has yet to release a report is because of Paterno. In fact, why is no one asking about the fact that PSU did nothing for X years while a grand jury was investigating Sandusky.

For comparisons sake, here is how the University of Wisconsin handled an alleged abuse incident that occurred this year's Rose Bowl. http://www.news.wisc.edu/news/docs/2012_Ro...dent_Review.pdf As you can see its a 35 page report filled with facts and findings. This was for a 1 incident that occurred last month. To this day, I believe that PSU has yet to release any sort of information. Do you not find that odd?

Yes f*** anyone who has a different opinion!

Thats my point Steve. We all know Sandusky is the criminal, but something else happened here. Child rape doesnt go on for 20+ years, have multiple witnesses, have a police investigation and have nothing come of it by accident. My guess is that Paterno's failure was not the worst act committed by PSU, my guess is that there may have been something illegal done by the Trustees, etc. You cant stop at Paterno, this whole "Paterno is the most powerful man in Penn" is a myth being perpetrated to cover up a crime. Paterno did not have the power to stop a police investigation, even if he wanted it done,some one else had to make the call on Paterno's behalf and that is the person we need to find.

G&T, Where have I ignored anything? I simply have said that I do not believe that Paterno was the puppet master here and that if it was up to me, I would keep digging and digging until I went over every piece of evidence starting at least as early as the first report to the Pennsylvania police. That statement just isnt really true. By your own facts, PSU had asked Paterno to resign 7 years ago. So for the last 7 years, PSU really didnt want Paterno around, they just didnt want to deal with the fall out of getting rid of one of the most beloved coaches and someone who personally donated a lot of money to the school. This incident, gave them 1) the opportunity to get rid of Paterno and 2) the opportunity to use Paterno as a shield for the Trustees and University. If Paterno was 40 years old and coming off a NC season, he is still the PSU coach, that I am confident in. The only reason they got rid of Paterno was that they had wanted to for a long time, and just couldnt deal with the negative publicity. This gave them that chance. Not sure that Ive implied or said that. Steve, No one is claiming it, but lets see what happens. I bet now that Paterno is dead the stories slowly start to fall from the newspapers, people slowly stop caring and ultimately no one ever gets to the bottom of this.

Damn right, just because Paterno is dead doesnt mean that kids didnt get raped, it doesnt mean that there still isnt a hell of a lot of questions to be answered. For most, Paterno's death will be the end of the PSU saga, with no celebrity villain the public's interest will wain. That is what PSU is hoping, that this scandal dies with Paterno.

1) This is the point Im making. 2) They fired Paterno as a scapegoat. Its a pretty common tactic when a company comes under huge pressure. You throw a big name to the wolves and hope it appeases the blood lust. In this case that was Paterno. By giving the media Paterno on a platter, they make the story about Paterno instead of the "PSU cover up story." Notice how the entire nature of the media changed when they had Paterno. PSU used Paterno to take the heat. You have 2 guys who lied to a Grand Jury, to me that suggests that there is more cover up that has not been found. Ultimately the people who had the most to lose by this were the Trustees of PSU and PSU itself. 3) The bigger fish is the University and the Trustees. Paterno was only important to them as long as they werent under fire, as soon as PSU/Trustees began to get attacked, they immediately gave up Paterno to change the focus of the media. No one cares about Paterno, they care about the money. And if the whole ship is going down and the only way to save it is to throw the captain overboard, you throw the captain overboard, even if hes the best captain in the history of the world. 4) That quote does nothing. They asked Paterno to step down, many people have been asked to step down and dont. Ultimately the business chose not to fire Paterno because they felt Paterno was making them more money 7 years ago. It shows nothing about his power. Now if you had some evidence that the board of trustees voted to fire Paterno and somehow Paterno overruled the Board, that may show who had the most power. But merely asking someone to step down, is nothing.

haha sorry about the misnaming. And thanks Felix, thats what Im trying to find out. Back in the day of Everquest I spent some time in the MMORPG world and was just trying to see how grouping, etc would work. Im not sure if it has instances like Guild Wars or is more like EQ where its just large areas and random things. From what I read it seems questing is how you get experience. I also assume that they have some sort of "trade" system where you can craft items for sale?

Animals are property, if you kill an animal your liability is for the value of the property. But if you damage an animal, why would you not be able to sue for the medical damages? Ive gone through some Illinois cases and while you cant sue for companionship etc, this case I believe would allow you to sue for actual damages: http://www.nabranimallaw.org/Content.aspx?id=428#Illinois Anzalone v. Kragness (Illinois) Decided March 7, 2005 Pet owner's cat was attacked and killed by defendant's rottweiler dog while boarded at an animal hospital. The pet owner sued the veterinarian and animal hospital on several grounds, including negligence and intentional infliction of emotional distress. The trial court dismissed the intentional infliction of emotional distress claim and rejected the request for damages on the remaining counts. Plaintiff sought damages in excess of $100,000 on several grounds including loss of society and companionship. On appeal, the Illinois appellate court reversed the trial court stating it is for the jury to determine the appropriate amount of damages. The appellate court also stated that using "value to the owner" as a measure of damages is widely used in small cases. The case now moves back to the trial court for further consideration Also on a personal note, I have handled a case where comed maced a dog and they settled for the medical bills plus damage to the home. Its not the easiest thing, but you can frame a complaint that would potentially allow for recovery. Not saying youll win, just you can take a shot.

Strangesox, I believe at some point someone at PSU put a stop to the investigation, and it may have been more than 1 investigation. Something like this does not happen for 20+ years, where police start an investigation, where there are multiple witnesses yet no real action by the state, its more than just a "mistake." Something more went on there, and I personally believe people need to be demanding more information from PSU/Pennsylvania/etc about what happened and why it happened, instead of simply being happy going after Paterno. In my opinion the only reason they gave up Paterno was to try and protect something or someone else.

Well Iamshack, for all I know it will turn out the guy was shooting at a coyote who was attacking the dog and he missed and hit the dog 1 time. /shrugs Nothing to suggest thats what happened, but until you get both sides you really are just merely speculating. And just so you know my bias, Im pro-animal and anti-gun. I just dont like to jump to conclusions, even if I would be inclined to believe that this guy has no defense for what he did. I could be wrong, wont be the first or last time.

If the state of Penn is afraid of Paterno that shows a bigger issue. Furthermore, if Paterno was in charge of everything, how did the Board of Trustees fire him so quickly? Doesnt really seem to jive. If Paterno was the most powerful person in Penn, he would have been able to stay coaching this year. Clearly Paterno does not have more power than the Trustees, the Trustees knew about this years ago, the Trustees are the ones who cared about protecting the program. The trustees would have been the ones who could tell Schultz not to go to the police, not Paterno, Paterno was subordinate to both Schultz and trustees. You cant just call people subordinates when they arent. Paterno cant fire the trustees, he cant fire schultz. At the end of the day if Paterno had as much power as people allege, how did he get fired so easily> Why isnt there any evidence of Paterno using his power to influence decisions? From the evidence Ive seen, there is nothing to suggest Paterno in anyway used his power to prevent an investigation. Those facts may change, but as of now, I would guess it was the trustees who told Schultz what to do, not Paterno.

I agree with Milkman,always best to wait on the facts.

Also they should see if they can get a care credit card from GE to pay for the medical bills. I was able to get 18 months no interest on a 5k emergency vet bill recently,

Milkman, What can I say I grew up on NWA.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jan 25, 2012 -> 09:34 AM) Suing is not going to accomplish anything. The legal remedies are simply not strong enough. What do you mean the remedies arent strong enough? If they have to pay 5-10k in medical bills, why would they not want to try and recoup those bills from the person who caused the damage?

Milkman, Thats a fine point, I just disagree with the way the author goes about making her point. By using "f*** Joe Paterno" and then "f*** my child rapist" you make an inherent connection in the readers mind that somehow what Joe Paterno did is equivalent to what a rapist did. If you just want to make an argument that people shouldnt canonize Paterno, go for it. But the author does more, she basically says Paterno deserves no respect, he deserves nothing, the basic implication is that his action was as terrible as the man who raped her. The bottom line is her being raped has nothing to do with whether or not Paterno should have done more. Its merely trying to give her moral authority to speak down on Paterno. But the fact is, you dont need to have been a victim of rape to be upset about what Paterno did, but at the same time when you are trying to get on your pulpit about how to stop abuse, you should consider focusing on the facts. if you are just ranting to get blog hits, feel free to use a famous persons name to pump them up, but if you want to make a real point, you want to make a real change, you have to start with the simple truth. You can not trust the police. The family of the victims trusted the police and they were failed. Paterno trusted the police and he was failed. We the people of the United States trust the police and we have ultimately been failed. Blame Paterno, dance on his grave, but be honest, he didnt rape anyone, he (to the best of my knowledge) never even witnessed a crime and he did report it to the supervisor of campus police. If that is not enough for you, that is fine, you are entitled to your opinion.

When you read the article "f*** JOE PATERNO" and it does not even mention the police failure and only 1 time uses Sandusky's name, doesnt it kind of imply that Paterno is some how the villain in all of this? She uses Paterno's name at least 15 times in her posts, she uses Sandusky's name 1 time, she uses Schultz name 0 times, she uses the witnesses name 0 times. Thats my problem with the article, you can hate Joe Paterno all you want, but at least make it clear that in terms of who is to blame, Paterno is not #1. Thats not saying he didnt do anything wrong, or maybe he could have done more, but it should be always clear that the failure was on the police and CRIMINAL. Had the POLICE done their job, Sandusky would have been stopped 20 years ago. You want to rant, rant about that.

Where have I made that argument Steve? I said "I dont get off on the grave dancing s***". I merely said that making Paterno out to be the worst person in all of this is wrong. I said that the police are bigger culprits. Im done, I never canonized Paterno, I never did anything but say that people need to focus on the real criminal and crime. If you dont want to do that Steve, if you want to continue to focus on Paterno, so be it. Its sad.

They arent mutually exclusive. If you cant recognize that, there is nothing I can say. Some of my relatives have been victims of child abuse/rape, so I dont really get off on this Paterno grave dancing s***. You want to help, educate people, dont throw Paterno under the bus for actually reporting. You want to know the truth, many people dont even report the crime at all. Why? Fear. So instead of castrating Paterno for reporting a potential crime to the supervisor of the police, why dont we take a long hard look at the actual failures of the f***ing police. They investigated Sandusky 10 years prior to Paterno reporting the incident, what the f*** is that? /shrugs