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QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jan 20, 2010 -> 05:24 PM) Sabermetrics are having more and more impact on performance evaluation every passing year. I don't think will see another 2005 AL CY Young or 2006 NL MVP farce anytime soon. There's a reason why Franklin Gutierrez got 4 years, $20.5M with only 3 years of service time under his belt and pedestrian career offensive production (Tom Tango's presence in the front office for one). As the teams start using more and more of these advanced metrics in player evaluation the media will catch up as well.

QUOTE (2nd_city_saint787 @ Jan 20, 2010 -> 01:33 PM) Take a look at the last line of my post im all for bringing in thome. I think the only way we see a DH brought in is if its a few weeks into spring training and Jones looks like hes looked the last few years. I see no reason why Jones can hit 30+ HR and hover around .250 How about this for a reason: the last time he came close to doing either he was still in his 20's. It's been 4 years. Perhaps he's just not that damn good anymore, it tends to happen especially when you start getting into your mid 30's and have nearly 2000 career major league games under you belt. Oddly enough spring training cliches that were likely leaked by club sources as part of a growing campaign to sell us on the rotating DH featuring Jones and Kotsay as primary players and perhaps a week or 2 of beating up on Single A pitchers in late February/early March isn't going to go a long way to ease my concerns over the DH situation.

UPDATED VERSION [01.20.10] (CLICK FOR FULL SIZE) Added Pierre, Castro and Dolsi Removed Armstrong Added salaries of newly signed arbitration eligible players Updated a couple service time numbers

QUOTE (2nd_city_saint787 @ Jan 20, 2010 -> 11:58 AM) Andruw jones is in the best shape of the last decade.....Last year Jim hit under .250 with 23 HR, yes there's gonna be a huge drop off in OBP but I believe AJ can easily match that .250 23 and above if he truly is in the best shape in a decade, a decade in which he averaged 33 HR......Id love to have Thome back because hes a lefty but i have a strong feeling were going into next year with jones as rotating DH with CQ and there will be days where Kotsays at 1B and PKs the DH. Christ, he hit .249. He was also limited to 417 PA with the Sox and still hit 23 HR or about 1 HR every 18 PA, approximately the same rate he showed in '07. If it were as simple as just getting in shape Andruw Jones would have turned his career around by now. It's humorous that we get this standard pre-spring training fare talking about people being in the best shape of their lives or taking up Yoga/Pilates/Balet or getting laser eye surgery or discovering some new training technique that's going to turn them into a superstar and every year people just gobble it up and of course every year it amounts to jack s***. Andruw Jones hits the StairMaster and suddenly it's the year 2000 again.

A site wide announcement wouldn't hurt. I hadn't even seen this thread until just now.

The biggest question with Rios has been his passion and dedication to the game. There's a belief that his ridiculous nightlife habits were beginning to catch up with him on the field that and he gained the reputation for being one of those guys who got the big pay day and just stopped caring about the game.

QUOTE (Springfield SoxFan @ Jan 19, 2010 -> 06:17 PM) Randy Williams last year at Yankee Stadium was the worst ever, I hope he does not make this team. Take away his 2 outings at Yankee Stadium and his seasonal numbers are: 1.08 WHIP, 1.08 ERA and 11.3 K/9 in 16.2 IP. He did have a .162/.279/.270/.549 line against lefties overall.

QUOTE (since56 @ Jan 19, 2010 -> 06:02 PM) He is ok, but doesn't excite me. Some one remind me why we let Carrasco go? He did a great job for us. He was going to make more than the Sox were willing to spend on a superfluous bullpen role and he wanted a chance to start. It was best for both sides that they part ways. The upside of the two players isn't even remotely close, Carrasco maxed out his ability and was one of the best long men in the game, if Pena maxes out he could be an excellent setup man or closer if he has the chops.

QUOTE (hogan873 @ Jan 19, 2010 -> 03:32 PM) I hear Jim Edmonds is looking for work. I wanted him as part of a CF platoon last season. Given how productive he was with the Cubs in '08 I'd take him over what we have right now. He put up something like a .950 OPS against right handed pitching as a member of the Cubs.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jan 19, 2010 -> 02:23 PM) Nobody will be down on him if he produces. He was just another MLB middle relief hack last year. He put up a 1.36 WHIP (career 1.30), 7.25 K/9 and walked only 9 batters in 36 innings with the Sox last season, these aren't the numbers of a hack. Given that he's going into only his age 28 season and he does possess mid 90's heat, he's a decent bet for 2010.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 19, 2010 -> 02:02 PM) Has there been any kind of confirmation of $100 million being the ceiling? No

Well, now that there's no longer any uncertainty with the salaries of the arbitration eligible players and the remaining free agents are starting to get antsy with ST right around the corner perhaps we can find something that resembles a real DH.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jan 19, 2010 -> 01:47 PM) $3.45M for Danks, puts us at $99.575M, then, correct? Can we sign a lefty DH bat for $425k? It depends. Are you a big fan of Jacque Jones?

QUOTE (Kalapse @ Jan 19, 2010 -> 11:54 AM) For reference: Gavin Floyd signed his extension near the end of spring training last year; March 22nd. Yeesh, I realize now that this means absolutely nothing.

For reference: Gavin Floyd signed his extension near the end of spring training last year; March 22nd.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jan 18, 2010 -> 11:59 PM) Yes but why sign a guy like Jones over Dye? Money? I think we could sign Dye on the relative cheap. Unless he'd be all upset and is bound and determined to play elsewhere. Because Dye was willing to sign for next to nothing and accept a greatly reduced role where most of his PA's will come from the DH spot? Jones was super cheap, willing to play wherever the Sox wish and accept ~300 PA in 2010. Dye's still looking for a starting outfield job and a lucrative contract, I can't imagine what he was asking for 2 months ago when Jones was inked.

QUOTE (joeynach @ Jan 17, 2010 -> 08:14 PM) Your right on all three fronts, It matched up with Cot's. Ive got AJ at 6.75 now according to them. My total is now $94.825 before Danks, Pena, and the 4 Pre-Arb guys. Good, I believe we're now on the same page: $96.125M after the Pena signing.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jan 18, 2010 -> 04:40 PM) I would be sad to see the WS MVP finish his career with the other Chicago team. Bad, bad, bad. Jermaine hasn't gotten a lot of love recently after that second half flop, but he is one of the major players in White Sox history whether some fans want to believe that or not. For some reason, he's not that beloved a figure even though he was WS MVP and Chicago teams simply do not win World Series. Anywhere but the Cubs, Jermaine. Not wanting him back as an everyday outfielder has absolutely nothing to do with how people see his place in White Sox history. And when putting together your roster these are just the sort of things you can't get bogged down in: loyalty to an aging vet just because he was WS MVP.

Keep in mind also; the Sox are also on the hook for $6.25M worth of performance incentives in 2010 between Garcia, Jones and Putz.

QUOTE (Ranger @ Jan 18, 2010 -> 01:20 PM) Buster Olney isn't paying attention. Their bench got older, but who cares? It's a bench, and they're all signed on 1-year deals. More than 60% of the everyday players are under 30. Beckham (23), Ramirez (28), Teahen (28), Quentin (27), Rios (29) = 5/9 = 56% Konerko (34), Pierzynski (33), Pierre (32), Kotsay/Jones (34/33) = 4/9 = 44% Am I missing something here? Though, questionable math aside, I do agree.

QUOTE (Ranger @ Jan 18, 2010 -> 03:45 PM) Care to explain it better then? Because it sure doesn't seem like I missed anything.. I was responding to a post listing the reasons (including a few hyperbolic) why the Twins will struggle in 2010 with an even more negative outlook of the 2010 Sox. I was proving a point.

QUOTE (Ranger @ Jan 18, 2010 -> 01:20 PM) The bullpen is most certainly not in as bad a shape as you're making it sound. They're actually in pretty good shape, and with their rotation, the pen shouldn't factor in as much as it did last year anyway. Everything else in your post is doomsday stuff. Not worth freaking out over it. You missed the point entirely.

Pierzynski will make $6.7M in '10 thanks to incentives he reached over the past 2 seasons and I do believe Alexei's $500K signing bonus was paid up front, not over the life of the contract. And as of right now it's 4 pre-arb players, not 3.

I have them at $102.375M total + $1M Dye Buyout - $1.5M Teahen cash - $7M Pierre cash $94.875M true total Danks and Pena should be another ~$4M or so There's 21 players under contract that should make the opening day roster (Viciedo not included) 1. Buehrle 2. Danks 3. Floyd 4. Peavy 5. Garcia 6. Jenks 7. Thornton 8. Linebrink 9. Pena 10. Putz 11. Pierzynski 12. Konerko 13. Ramirez 14. Teahen 15. Pierre 16. Rios 17. Quentin 18. Kotsay 19. Jones 20. Vizquel 21. Castro So that leaves 4 at the minimum (Beckham, Williams, Santos, De Aza, Dolsi, Hudson, Nix all on the 40)

QUOTE (maggsmaggs @ Jan 17, 2010 -> 11:12 AM) Not to be a bad guy here, but you wonder how this happens and what kind of stuff Adams was taking throughout his career (even in HS). It's just not natural for a 26-year-old to have a heart attack and these guys take so many supplements that it has to negatively affect the body. Very sad day though. There's a reason why every High School gym now contains a difibulator, these kinds of things do happen and surprisingly often at that. According to the coroner Gaines lived for 26 years with an undiagnosed enlarged heart, you don't have to be on drugs to go into cardiac arrest in your younger years, there are many basketball and hockey players that can attest to that.