jackie hayes

QUOTE(southsider17 @ Jan 15, 2005 -> 05:33 PM) I'd say laziness because it affects performance. Alot of good teams have had to deal with asses for teammates. Considering how strongly SF, a club that's not unfamiliar w/ grating personalities, reacted to him, I doubt that, but jmho.

QUOTE(YASNY @ Jan 15, 2005 -> 05:27 PM) Ok... I see your point. Let's say that AJ knows his ability to make the big bucks is on the line. He's said that he wants to get this behind him so it doesn't hinder his career. If you think about, it probably has cost him a few million in 2005. His ability is worth $5 million per, at least. He wasn't getting any interest due to the reputation. So, in a way, his career is on the line. At least the amount if potential future income is on the line. Yeah, agreed. And to make your point a little stronger, let me add that AJ's rep will be a lot more costly than D'Angelo's. The big knock on D'Angelo was laziness, AJ's more of an out-and-out ass to his own teammates. Which is much worse, imo.

QUOTE(YASNY @ Jan 15, 2005 -> 05:21 PM) Not sure about what? He was a jerk with the Sox ... and a stupid baseball player. They dumped him fast. Not sure that his career is on the line. Just like w/ Jimenez, jerks w/ talent find jobs. Edit: I was wrong saying he'd make more than $3 mil, he's making $2.9 next season.

QUOTE(YASNY @ Jan 15, 2005 -> 05:17 PM) I remember hearing "whispers" about Jiminez. Well, they were right. He tiurned out to be a jerk and a detriment to the team. Clayton did too. AJ has the opportunity. I hope he realizes his career is on the line. Considering that Jimenez will be making north of $3 mil this year, iirc, I'm not sure about that.

QUOTE(Jeckle2000 @ Jan 15, 2005 -> 03:58 PM) Ohh no....Let's void the contract now... This is exactly what this team needs. Someone who won't take ANY s*** from anybody. If fact AJ ought to go down and kick his ass again for tattling. Explain to me again how the trainer was giving him s***?

Oh yeah, the only thing holding us back last year was that we didn't have MORE Joe Credes. No, Bruce, he was just flat out bad.

QUOTE(C_LEE45 @ Jan 15, 2005 -> 01:36 AM) anybody have a link so we can listen? www.am1000.com, go to the listen live tab, then click on the "other local programming" link, iirc

QUOTE(Winnin Ugly @ Jan 15, 2005 -> 01:34 AM) AJ will have a 294 AVG 21 Hr's 85 Rbis

QUOTE(farmteam @ Jan 14, 2005 -> 11:11 PM) Wait a minute...didn't the Broncos draft Portis in the first round like 2 years ago? No, he was a 2nd round pick.

Can't understand that at all. It's not about winning, he's already done that. It's not about finishing college, he's close enough to do that anyway. It's about, in his words, "college football and this whole atmosphere here and being with my friends and my teammates". Challenge yourself, move on.

QUOTE(chi-guy2 @ Jan 12, 2005 -> 10:45 PM) cambell reminds me somewhat of a rothlesberger and a culpepper combined At more than 500 pounds, that's one BIG quarterback. Jared who?

I don't know much about college football, but even I know about Smith and heard quite a bit when he declared. Dunno if it's fair to call him a sleeper. Gotta reach deeper for that one.

QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Jan 11, 2005 -> 10:45 PM) I disagree. That draft has the potential to send us four starters/quality players in Vasher (could be our nickleback next season), Berrian (had a very solid year once he got the rookie-jitters out, speedy, should be the number 3 receiver next season, loved by this coaching staff), Tommie Harris (awesome), and possibly Tank Johnson. I'll bash Angelo for some of his signings, some of his contracts given out, but one area where I cannot bash him is drafting. I'm not questioning his ability to draft good players, I think 2003 was a big success. But the 2004 draft, imo, focused too much on speed. Joe and Harriot had good 40 times, and....? A team has to be able to get at least some role players from the lower rounds, we got next to nothing. That's my only complaint. Harris looks very good, Vasher was a steal, Berrian and Johnson, wait and see.

Whatever Johnson does in the long run, last year's draft looks pretty bad for the Bears, especially in the lower rounds. Joe and Harriot lasted all of a minute or two before they were cut, Marshall is hanging by a thread, and Krenzel might be soon. I hope they alter their philosophy a bit -- speed's fine, but it's not everything.

QUOTE(YASNY @ Jan 7, 2005 -> 06:41 AM) To whom it may concern, I want to offer an across the board, so to speak, apology. I, in no way, considered the discussion between jackie and I as a battle royale. In my eyes it was a lively discusion between two people with differing opinions. And, may I add, a discussion I was enjoying while in progress. However, I saw that most perceived it as a battle and for that I am truly sorry. To jackie, If you felt you were under attack in any way, shape or form, I offer a personal apology to you as well. That was not my intent. Sincerely, YASNY I was mostly just confused, at least by the whole "trailer trash" dimension, since I kept saying that I agreed w/ you. I wasn't sure, but I couldn't figure out why you kept pressing on this, unless you were insinuating something. But I'm not ticked. I see your point on that and I agree with you (again). I just didn't think it needed any further comment. As for everyone else, I DO resent the implication that I was just trying to ruin the thread. If you look at my original post, it was only included as a sort of postscript, not addressed to the original poster, but to everyone who saw it as a harmless word. I thought (I know there are a lot of pretty young posters) many people may not have heard it used that way (as in "jap move", or "pull a jap"), so I just wanted to point out that it really does have that meaning. Some Japanese are not offended by it, I'm sure, but I'm sure that there are a few who are. Imo, it's important that those people feel welcome here too. (Considering that this is a Sox message board, it would seem especially relevant now -- w/ Shingo already on board, and with Iguchi perhaps signing on soon, it would be great if fans of those players who know them from Japan want to participate in the site.) If this were just a pc thing, I wouldn't care so much, but it is seen by some as a slur, rather than just a 'non-preferred' term. (I mean, Hispanic/Latino is a pc distinction, imo, but "s***"/Hispanic is not.) That's all, I'm done with this.

QUOTE(YASNY @ Jan 6, 2005 -> 07:28 PM) I'm not going to turn your words back on you. In fact, I'll give the stereotypical image of trailer trash. It generally means poor, white ... usually Christian ... people. I can accept your point that "Jap" can be considered offensive. I can also see where it can be used in a non-offensive manner. Here's the crux of my entire arguement. Anytime someone uses anything that can be considered offensive to any race other than white Anglo-Saxons people generally get all up in arms about it. Yet, when a term such as trailer trash gets used, which is stereotypically discriminatory towards white ... maybe southern ... poor people, nobody says s*** about it. As proven by the fact that I was the only one to call it as it is until you had to concede the point to make yours. I just get tired of people overlooking obvious discriminatation unless it's against a minority or foreigner in this country. Hell .... people are more tolerant of discrimination against ... 1. Whites ... 2. Christians .... 3. Southerners ... than any other race, creed, sexual preference or whatever. The fact that you jumped on the "jap" thing and not the "trailer trash" thing reinforces my point. I didn't think the discussion was going overboard either, but apparently everyone else did. Again, you had already answered the "trailer trash" comment, and noone had responded to you, so it seemed to have ended on that. I had nothing to add, but I have said elsewhere (around the election) that it's no better to be talking about "rednecks" voting for Bush. I don't think we should tolerate stupid terminology on either side. Meanwhile, a bunch of people were saying that there is nothing wrong w/ "jap", that it's just shorthand. Noone had answered that, that's why I chose to respond to it. That's all, to suggest o/w is bs. For those who don't know -- "Jap" is usually meant to suggest that the Japanese are sneaky and devious (after Pearl Harbor it gained that meaning). For those who say the meaning has disappeared, think of Parcells "Jap plays". Everyone knew what he meant by that. And no, I wasn't alive for Pearl Harbor, but I've known for a long time that the word can be nasty. I don't think it was meant offensively, and I never accused anyone of intending it that way, I just asked that it not be used in the future. Honestly I'm surprised so many people are apparently so angry at that.

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Jan 6, 2005 -> 07:14 PM) Guys, I haven't read enough of this thread to know whats going on, but lets get over it. Cut the personal argument out and talk about the players. I give up. Everyone go wild w/ "s***" and "jap" and "dago". But I can't believe that an argument over a racist word like "jap" is considered merely "personal".

QUOTE(qwerty @ Jan 6, 2005 -> 06:22 PM) Butcher in the field. Does not even look like he knows what he is doing out there. Well, yeah, that's always been the knock on him. But he hasn't gotten any worse recently, and it's been good enough for him to be an asset for a number of teams.

QUOTE(YASNY @ Jan 6, 2005 -> 06:47 PM) I said I'd either STFU or ask you a question ... Here's my question ..... and this will get to the nitty gritty of what I'm driving at. What do you think of when you think of "trailer trash" ? ... and give me the works ... race, religion, etc. Bear with me here. You're pretty sure I'm prejudiced, aren't you? You ask a leading question -- if I say what the term means, you'll say 'Look how bigoted you are', even though it's not my point of view. If I say that I know people in trailer parks are heterogeneous, you'll say that I'm not answering your question. I'm not going to play 20 f***ing questions in your effort to prove me a bigot. Either put up evidence or shut up. I know what's meant by the term, and I know it's wrong, and all I've done is agree with you that it shouldn't be used. Meanwhile, you go and say that "jap" isn't really offensive. Since that's the only disagreement, how about that being the discussion?

QUOTE(YASNY @ Jan 6, 2005 -> 06:29 PM) Ok... I'll give that. You did say "trailer trash" was offensive. Show me someone besides me or you that did. If you can, I'll STFU. If you can't, then I have a question for you. My bad, I guess you were the only one who said something like that. I read through quickly, and I noticed that "trailer trash" had been answered. Still, I didn't have anything to add to your original post, so why should I simply parrot that? Meanwhile, lots of people did defend the use of "jap". They made it sound like an innocent shortening, as if all shortened versions of ethnic/national names are perfectly harmless. That's not true. ("s***", for example.) Some ("Brit", "Aussie") are fine, but we all know "s***" is not cool, and at least I know (apparently I'm the only one) that "jap" is offensive too. So I addressed that. What are you really arguing here? I agreed with you immediately that "trailer trash" is offensive, after all. In another thread, you suggested that "jap" isn't offensive. If that's your point, why not state that?

QUOTE(YASNY @ Jan 6, 2005 -> 06:17 PM) If you'd tell me why you were so much more offended by the use of the term Jap, and not offended by "trailer trash" to the point that you jumped all over it, I'll let it go. What part of "I agree that 'trailer trash' is offensive" is not clear to you? I already answered this. Lots of people in the thread already pointed out that "trailer trash" is offensive. I had nothing more to add to what they said. Those same people came up with rationalizations of "jap". I did have something to add here -- even though it may have been innocent enough in intention, it should not be acceptable to use. So I said that. Of course, I already posted this answer, so do you want to ask me a third time?

QUOTE(qwerty @ Jan 6, 2005 -> 06:15 PM) Who cares? He sucks. He is not an improvement over willie. Well, it could mean one less suitor for Cairo. (Cards were still in the running for him last I heard, but that was a while ago, so maybe not.) I don't agree that Grudz sucks, though, seems like a pretty good hitter to me.

Okay, wtf. Since I was young, I knew that "Jap" is a racist term. I point out that, maybe it was a simple mistake, so I'm not saying anything should be done in this case, but it should be stopped, just like we don't allow "chink", "dago", and "mick". That's all I said. I just wanted that to be made clear, and I did not intend to hijack the thread. But so many so treasure their ability to use an offensive term, that I end up arguing constantly that "Jap" shouldn't be used. I can't believe this s***.

QUOTE(raff @ Jan 6, 2005 -> 05:59 PM) and i imagine that it was wrong for soldiers to use during WWII i bet huh jackie? Oh, crap, I didn't know he was actually sending his message from an aircraft carrier in the Pacific in the 1940s. Sheesh, I assumed he was alive today and sitting at a f***ing computer somewhere. How silly of me. I'm so sorry.

QUOTE(YASNY @ Jan 6, 2005 -> 05:50 PM) Brit. Arab. Jew. Finn. Swede. ...... There's nothing offensive about those terms if they are not used in an inappropriate way. Just because the we used the term "Jap" when we were at war with them does not make it offensive. I hate "political correctness" ... it's taking this country right down the tubes. Noone objects to Brit, Finn, Aussie, etc, and Jew isn't even a shortening. If you don't believe me, just look it up in a dictionary. The online m-w.com says that "Jap" is "usually disparaging", no such mention for "Aussie". If it's offensive, AND "JAP" IS OFFENSIVE, it shouldn't be tolerated.