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    Offseason Part 3 - Because Part 2 Was a Dud

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    10 minutes ago, chitownsportsfan said:

    Thing is, even if he is good you're getting good for 50-70 innings and furthermore the value of those innings depends quite a bit on the starting rotation and offense.  It doesn't matter how good he is if he's entering a 3-5 ballgame in the 7th more often than not. It's just a stupid way to spend money, FFS.

    Oh I completely agree that’s why I said if you look at the signing just by itself.  If I knew he was going to be a part of only adding relievers and utility guys then ya it changes the story on all of this which is obviously happening right now.  

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    Offseason Part 3 - Because Part 2 Was a Dud

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    7 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

    Jose Ruiz has about as much of a track record of success as a reliever as Graveman. 

    Pretty much.  I don’t hate the Graveman signing when looking at it just on its own  but wouldn’t be surprised at all if he’s bad this season.  We’ll see.  

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    Offseason Part 3 - Because Part 2 Was a Dud

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    32 minutes ago, Tony said:

    Seems clear as the days go on that they were not anticipating this offseason, seemingly had no backup plan when their original intentions didn't materialize and are going to attempt to "add" at around the deadline. Which may end up working, seeing as the AL Central shouldn't be that big of a buzzsaw. But it still doesn't excuse what has taken place the last 8 months. 

     

    Don’t disagree with you on their mindset but the division thing is a terrible way to look at things this year(it always is but especially this year) with the way the playoffs are set up.  Getting a top 2 seed is too important to be like meh we’ll upgrade at the deadline cause our division sucks and we’ll probably get in anyways.

    Offseason Part 2 - Lets the Rumors & Action Begin

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    7 minutes ago, chw42 said:

    Conforto's 3 year ZiPS projection

    2022: 2.4 WAR

    2023: 2.5 WAR

    2024: 2 WAR

    I'm gonna assume 2025 is gonna be sub-2 WAR. 

    So in all, you're getting around 9 WAR the next 4 years. If the asking price really is 4 years and $88 million, I can see why the Sox would be hesitant. But that does not excuse how they've mis-allocated funds so far this off-season. 

    Honestly, this window is like 3 years right now, if the 4th year of that contract  sucked so be it.  I know that’s not how the Sox are looking at things and I know we want to have a sustained run but this is where we’re at right now imo.

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    Offseason Part 2 - Lets the Rumors & Action Begin

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    6 minutes ago, maxjusttyped said:

    I loved the Vaughn pick, and the thought of trading him away makes me sick to my stomach. But I think there's a rational argument to be made that the best thing for his development would be playing every day in Charlotte and not having to face a level of pitching he might not be ready to have success against yet.

    And I could not disagree with this more.  He’d just destroy the IL and facing inferior pitching is going to do nothing for his development.  

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    Offseason Part 2 - Lets the Rumors & Action Begin

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    1 minute ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

    Yeah, I'm just not on board with Sheets taking away big league at bats from Vaughn. I just see no world where Sheets is more important to this teams future than Vaughn. I could be wrong, but I think the Sox caught lightening in a bottle with Sheets last year and expecting him to be a productive MLB DH is just too much imo. Vaughn ceiling as an offensive player is just so much higher, and wasting MLB at-bats on Sheets everyday instead of Vaughn would be a mistake imo.

     

    Completely agree with all this.  

    Offensively, the Sox are better in RF than either of the last two years

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    1 hour ago, Chicago White Sox said:

    Your argument might as well be close my eyes and ignore reality.  Vaughn & Sheets were epically bad in RF last year.  Could they get better?  Possibly, but they will never be good out there.  And to be clear, you expect them to provide a wRC+ over 133?  Because that’s what Conforto put up from 2017 to 2020 when healthy.

    Not to mention we’re already throwing Eloy out there in left.  If we had a gg lf to go along with Robert then maybe we can try some goofy defensive experiment in right field, maybe.

    As far as the op, ya no shit Gavin Sheets and Andrew Vaughn are better offensive players than Adam Eaton and Nomar Mazara.  It’s always good when trying to win the WS to compare your right fielders to 2 of the worst out there.  Perfect sense.

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    Offseason Part 2 - Lets the Rumors & Action Begin

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    2 minutes ago, Harold's Leg Lift said:

    This was always the fear with Hahn that he doesn't have the balls to make the big move to put the team over the top.  It's easy to make a bad team average or an average team good but it's extremely difficult to make a good team great.  Hahn seems happy to improve in the margins rather than dropping his dick on the table to make this team great.  There's still a chance he does something but the longer this drags on the less optimistic I get.  

    You still confident that Kimbrel is getting dealt or where is your head at there?

    Offseason Part 2 - Lets the Rumors & Action Begin

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    16 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said:

    Its not even a platoon tho.  If you're going to platoon Leury with someone, get a guy like Brad Miller who compliments Leury.  Leury should play against LHP, and while Harrison's splits are relatively even, its not like he excels against RHP. Puzzling. 

    Exactly.  Man, the more I think about it the more it's starting to irk me that they didn't look at Miller if they were going to go this bargain route.  He's hit righties so freaking well for a while now and plays a solid 2b.  Very annoying.

     

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    Offseason Part 2 - Lets the Rumors & Action Begin

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    14 minutes ago, YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! said:

    It’s sad how much of a yes man Stone has become. He used to provide insightful analysis, all he does now is protect Jerry’s checkbook.

    He’s still great on tv.  He’s absolutely brutal on Twitter.  He’s a yes man and he’s a condescending jackass on social media.  

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    Offseason Part 2 - Lets the Rumors & Action Begin

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    21 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

    Well, you'd think with one of the, what, five most iconic players in the city of Chicago over the last decade that there would be SOME noise?

     

    13 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

    Really? Harrison and Velaquez when there's like 25 guys big names people want to break the news on . No one cares about Harrison and Velasquez , they aren't feathers in anyone's caps .

    You guys are good at reading jokes lol 

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    Sox sign 2B Josh Harrison (1 yr, 5.5M; club option; 1.5M buyout)

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    8 minutes ago, chw42 said:

    Like a lot of people alluded to in here, this signing is ok if we get a big bat for RF. Because honestly, you don't need a huge bat in the 9th spot. If Harrison can play solid enough defense at 2B and give you a wRC+ close to 100, that's good enough. If they go out and get a Castellanos or Conforto type to stabilize the middle of the order, it doesn't really matter who hits 9th. 

    Yup, I agree.  

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