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QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Dec 14, 2012 -> 03:16 PM) Sure, crime enabled...by guns. I don't think we'd reasonably see a bunch of gun and ammo manufacturers and distributors fighting it out in the streets, though. Plenty of black market items exist without the type of violence associated with drug prohibitions. Thats a pretty good point. I can easily manufacture alcohol or drugs on my own, making a functioning firearm? Not a chance.

QUOTE (Y2HH @ Dec 14, 2012 -> 03:03 PM) Here is where I agree with you. I do think guns laws/restrictions can work if enforced properly. From purchase to registration. But the penalties on illegally obtained or legally obtained guns that are then brought into areas with restrictions on that type (think Chicago with hand guns), and not registered need to be much much more severe. It should have been harder to get if at all anyway. I have a gun in Chicago, on Madison street, completely purchased legally.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Dec 14, 2012 -> 03:13 PM) This line of argument works both ways. You cant make the assumption that this tragedy would have occurred today even if there were no guns. It may have happened, it could have been OKC, but its an assumption on both sides. Then whydoes the US constantly have one of the highest homicides rates of civilized first world countries? The UK and Europe overall have about 25% of the homicide rate. WHy is that?

QUOTE (Y2HH @ Dec 14, 2012 -> 02:38 PM) And I repeat, those were NOT obtained legally. Handguns cannot be sold in Chicago, or registered in Chicago. Thus, anyone with a handgun in Chicago that is not a law enforcement official obtained it illegally and did not register it...illegally. But the gun was originally bought legally, thus obtained from a store legally by someone. If that dries up then where do they get them?

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Dec 14, 2012 -> 02:37 PM) That's assuming those criminals would not find (1) another gun (2) another means of killing. Guns aren't the only way to kill people. But clearly one of the most if not THE most efficient way.

QUOTE (Y2HH @ Dec 14, 2012 -> 02:36 PM) First and foremost...stop with your statistics that are completely made up. Hand guns are ILLEGAL in Chicago. So any gang banger with a handgun living in Chicago did NOT legally obtain it, register it and own it in this city. If they got them from a gun store, the store sold it to them ILLEGALLY. You claim these are legal purchases, no...they are not. LOL, where does Chicago end dude http://www.suntimes.com/news/crime/1471565...o-buy-guns.html

QUOTE (Y2HH @ Dec 14, 2012 -> 02:33 PM) Show me facts, you're the one that made the false claim that all the gangbangers in the US have legally purchased guns...which is an absolute f***ing lie. yes, they gave guns that were purchased legally. And I was wrong 268 of the almost 1400 last year came from one shop, not 267.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Dec 14, 2012 -> 02:32 PM) Trucks from Mexico and a guy on the corner that can sell you an illegal handgun? Are gangs going to start outdancing and outsinging the other? You guys are completely delusional if you think making gun ownership illegal would magically cure this problem or even put a dent into it. According to statistics, it would put a HUGE dent in it. Over 267 crimes last year most of them homicides would never have happened in chicago.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Dec 14, 2012 -> 02:31 PM) How's that war on drugs working out? Yelp a place to buy cocaine, let me know what you find out. I'll find the nearest place to buy a gun. Lets see who finds it first.

QUOTE (Y2HH @ Dec 14, 2012 -> 02:30 PM) Wait a minute, suddenly these criminal gang members don't have their illegally obtained guns? Do you live in reality or somewhere in the matrix? Look up. They were purchased legally

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Dec 14, 2012 -> 02:30 PM) Purchased legally, stolen, then used by criminals who by law can't touch the guns. Uh huh. Take that away and then what?

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Dec 14, 2012 -> 02:26 PM) Comparing the US to any other country is comparing apples and oranges. Go look at gang violence statistics. There's 90% of your answer right there. And guess what, they mostly use illegally obtained weapons. So ban every gun in the country and our homicide rate will still overshadow everyone elses. I call bulls***. Those guns were legally obtained in the US at some point. In the case of Chicago they found roughly 20 percent came from one store. Of all off the 267 guns recovered last year used in crimes and studied they were ALL purchased legally.

QUOTE (Y2HH @ Dec 14, 2012 -> 02:24 PM) There is no disputing those numbers. But now let's compare the number of gang members in Canada to the US. Now, as an experiment...let's take all of those gang member and move them to Canada and let's see if all of a sudden the gun violence in Canada doesn't skyrocket while ours falls precipitously. The situation is far more complicated then most people here seem willing to admit. How dangerous is a "gang member" without a gun?

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Dec 14, 2012 -> 02:18 PM) And as i've said, make it more difficult to get guns. I'm fine with that if that would make you happy. But that's not going to do anything and you know it. This guy and the others like him plan this s*** out. So unless you're going to just ban guns altogether, no amount of restrictions would to stop this type of stuff. But continue to believe the problem is society allowing guns, and not the random crazy people that are just random crazy people who do random s***. If guns will be just as available why is it shown by facts that higher rates of gun owners=higher rates of firearm caused death? Just a little snippit: BTW, the difference is almost entirely attributed to handguns.

QUOTE (WHarris1 @ Dec 14, 2012 -> 02:16 PM) 31 fatal U.S. school shootings since Columbine. School shootings in every other country in the world combined since that time: 14. Canada had less than 200 deaths due to firearms last year.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Dec 14, 2012 -> 02:13 PM) I was in a lockdown and the gun was fake... Thats crazy. I never even thought about that when I was in school.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Dec 14, 2012 -> 02:12 PM) If guns were used ENTIRELY for killing human beings, i'd agree with you. But they're not. Hand guns are.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Dec 14, 2012 -> 01:56 PM) The intended purpose of a gun doesn't change the fact that I can put about any object in this sentence and it would still be true. A car is an inherently dangerous object. A knife is an inherently dangerous object. Alcohol is an inherently dangerous object. All must be used with caution, by the right people, or people can die. We have no way of knowing if the person using said object will be responsible or not (and in two of those situations we know that MORE people die than at the hands of guns annually). On one hand you have a car which is designed for transportation On the other you have a gun which is ENTIRELY designed for killing. Both are the same? Gotcha.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Dec 14, 2012 -> 01:34 PM) Yeah hows that ban on guns working in the City of Chicago? No one dies from being shot right? LOL, its one area. Guns are legally bought just outside of the city and brought in. That literally has nothing to do with what anyone is talking about.

Look at these parents just waiting in the background

wow

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 14, 2012 -> 02:01 PM) So that's who was in custody when that was reported earlier. Yup. Both parents are dead so maybe they are assuming he was either a target or in on it.

QUOTE (Y2HH @ Dec 14, 2012 -> 01:57 PM) I call that Vaguebooking for sympathy. Post various but vague status, I.E: Prepare for onslaught of fake sympathy, and aww, what's wrong? There should be a more established social media support system out there for people that are bullied or depressed IMO. Maybe it exists and I just have never heard about it which is another problem