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Can we add a clause that if the all-time record for most losses or worst winning percentage is reached by this club, the owner is forced to sell the team? That would be the only silver lining to this dumpster fire of a season, and I'd root for 2-160 at that point. It's not like this level of futility is even going to result in the #1 pick.
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2 hours ago, southsider2k5 said:
Wow, not even waiting 1 day into the season to be historically bad.
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They won't field a competitive team until there's a new owner.
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I initially read this wrong and thought the Sox had signed former Cy Young winner Corey Kluber, which seemed like a very White Sox thing to do, getting their man 7-10 years too late.
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Just one large carving of JR with a caption that says "The money was spent".
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19 hours ago, Lip Man 1 said:
Pick the Sox dead last in the division going 65-97.
Wow, 65 is generous.
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3 hours ago, Buehrle>Wood said:
But they also started 7-21
So there was a 70 game stretch of the season where they were 34-36. That's...something?
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4 hours ago, WestEddy said:
When researching the MLB amateur draft on Baseball-Reference, I'd always run into Bend, Boise and Miami on the franchise list. I never really gave it a thought, figuring it was some leftover place-holder when the site was being created, or something. Turns out, independent minor league teams used to be able to participate in the Rule 4 draft. Only 4 teams ever took advantage of this.
I ran into Bend's draft picks while looking at the White Sox 1971 draft, where they took Bill Sharp in the 2nd round, instead of George Brett or Mike Schmidt. (Some things never change.) Turns out, Hawaii was trying to become an expansion franchise, and started building a team ahead of the next round of expansion. Hawaii contracted an independent team in Bend, Idaho to be their minor league franchise. The following is a SABR article some here might find interesting.
https://sabr.org/research/article/the-next-pick-goes-to-the-miami-miracle-independent-minor-league-teams-in-the-amateur-baseball-draft/
Sorry is this seems way off what the focus of the board is. Please feel free to delete. It is baseball related, and I'm being driven nuts by refreshing MLB Trade Rumors.com, SoxTalk and Twitter. I figured somebody else might want a break.
This is honestly a refreshing change of pace from most of what's going on here lately. Thank you for posting this.
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12 hours ago, Chicago White Sox said:
$8.5M deferred out to 2030 to 2039, so quite as big as it would otherwise seem
This is likely the future of sports contracts, especially in high tax states. These deferrals allow the player to pay much less state tax money on the deferred portion, resulting in more overall money flowing to the player.
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Might as well do it, can probably get him for cheap, and as he pitches, the stink will wash off and he'll be a very flippable asset.
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On 12/25/2023 at 10:54 AM, reiks12 said:
https://x.com/whitesox/status/1739301203178127410?s=46
I can’t, this is just too funny
Jerry just leaning in to the pennypinching now?
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On 12/11/2023 at 1:38 PM, EloyJenkins said:
Which contract will be worse, 10/700 for Ohtani or 9/300 for Yamamoto?
IMO both are going to look poor in 3-4 years, but Yamamoto isn't even guaranteed to be a success without seeing him against MLB talent.
$700 million is just a number to grab headlines, the PV of the contract is $450 million. Judging on those numbers, I'd say Yamamoto is certainly the bigger risk.
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10 hours ago, FloydBannister1983 said:
Reinsdorf would have made a great bureaucrat.
He very clearly did. He started out as an IRS attorney, which explains a great deal of his incompetence and unwillingness to spend on quality.
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2 hours ago, tray said:
No, JR and the Sox and for that matter, Ricketts and the Cubs are not cheap or foolish for not risking tremendous amounts of money on these mega player contracts
(including betting .7 Billion on a soon to be 30 yr old Ohtani with 2 arm surgeries and 0 WS Titles )
In fact, more owners, including the perennial big players like the Yankees and Dodgers should do the same. MLB needs a salary cap of some sort to finally harness this issue and achieve some kind or parity and competitiveness. Fan complaints about which owners spends and which do not have become an old axe to grind every year. Here things have devolved into cruel posts with questionable motives about JR being "cheap" and even wishing for his passing. It really has gotten to be ridiculous.
The problem is if you know your team will not spend big in free agency and they have a history of poor player development, then there is no hope. As a fanbase, if you have no hope for the product on the field, you begin to hope for a change in ownership to allow for hope for the product on the field.
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On 12/7/2023 at 10:52 PM, Lip Man 1 said:
Not arguing the point just clarifying that it wasn't the senior. And the son eventually got into serious trouble with the league and was forced to sell the franchise. I don't remember exactly what he was accused of.
Worst that would've happened is that Reinsdorf would've bought the team then, and at that point, we have 5 championships in 14 years to celebrate.
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2 hours ago, Lip Man 1 said:
His son actually ran the franchise after his dad bought it after the Sox sale was voided.
Okay? Would you take 5 championships in 14 seasons? I would.
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2 hours ago, Lightly Folded said:
Wasn’t DeBartolo fixated on moving the Sox to Denver? Plus he supposedly had ties to the mafia.
He was also the owner of the San Francisco 49ers during the 1980s and 1990s when they won 5 championships in 14 seasons. I don't care if he was affiliated with the mafia, he knew how to build a winning franchise.
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2 hours ago, Saufley said:
And he and his buddy tried to shame Bill Veeck and make us believe he was the answer. Reinsdorf is the real loser and we the fans suffer. I'd give anything for the Bill Veeck years again!
The worst thing MLB ever did to the White Sox was not allowing Eddie DeBartolo to buy the team.
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1 hour ago, WestEddy said:
The question posed was whether Jerry R. had the "stomach" to spend in the right areas. I'm sure he's not trying to lose. And I'm sure that if he had a trusted GM telling him he needed a larger stats department, he would do that. We act like JR won't let anyone in his organization use cell phones, or whatnot.
Atlanta sees themselves as competing for a World Series in 2024. There's no room for Soroka. The Sox are rebuilding. He fills a hole nicely.He doesn't believe in spending in the right areas. If you want proof of that, compare the size of the White Sox scouting department to other MLB teams, or compare their spending on minor league wellness and development to other teams. Both are dead last or close, and these are areas where spending a fraction of a MLB payroll (think like 10%) could make massive competitive advantage differences. If he truly was just cheap, he would pump money into those things. But it's not that he's just cheap, he's cheap and stubborn to the point that he only wants to win if it's his way. Unfortunately for us, "his way" doesn't work in the modern MLB.
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5 minutes ago, Texsox said:
With their one WS win in a century? Tied with us.
We've had back to back playoff appearances how many times?
Make a criteria that this isn't a bottom ten franchise? @Balta1701 had a great summary, I wish I could find it. Wins, playoffs, you name it, we're just not a successful franchise.
But could be with a different owner. Look at what Eddie DeBartolo did with the 49ers. He may not have had that level of success with the White Sox, but I think he would've been more successful than Jerry Reinsdorf. Get an owner that cares about winning at the head of this franchise, and you'll probably see much different results.
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Let's put it this way: show me a White Sox roster that conceivably could compete for the AL Central while adhering to the following limitations:
1) No single contract with AAV higher than $35.625 million
2) No single contract worth more than $285 million
3) Total net spending increase for 2024 cannot exceed $59 million, which matches the 2022 White Sox for the highest payroll the team has ever had.
I chose these limitations because the Machado contract is the highest ever rumored offer the White Sox made at 8/$285 and the payroll has never exceeded $193 million. If someone can show me a competitive roster given these limitations, I'll gladly adjust my full on pessimism.
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2 hours ago, Chick Mercedes said:
Cut payroll, dump players, to what end? After the draft, even the benefit of tanking is out.
The fanbase is up in arms over years (now decades) of poor managment, and bad publicity. The response is to make the team even worse? They want to sign a bunch of seat fillers instead of longer term solutions. If there was any time to try and mend fences with fans, and spend a little assets for the on-field product, this is it. Jerry Reinsdorf thinks it is time to go to Nashville. I don't understand what is happening at the height of fan discontent. Typically teams cut payroll before they are sold. Not while languishing in desperate need for lifelines. It's just bad business.
There's no good way out of the current state of the franchise that doesn't involve either spending like Steve Cohen (and being right on all those investments, unlike Steve Cohen) or being bad for a few years. The talent on the ML roster and in the minor league pipeline is insufficient to compete for anything without significant upgrades. Those upgrades will have to come from somewhere. If you're not paying hefty sums of money for them on the free agent market, where are they coming from?
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On 11/13/2023 at 6:11 PM, SoxFest23 said:
How much money do you normally spend on White Sox baseball in a typical year?
How much you plan on spending in 2024?
Jerry wants your hard earned dollars, pony up!
I will not buy any more White Sox merch or pay to go to a game until Jerry Reinsdorf dies or sells the team.
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Whoever will do it cheapest.
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Is it wrong to want the Sox to embarrass themselves?
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Maybe they'll be so embarrassingly bad that Jerry will sell the team. That's about all there is to hope for until Jerry sells the team or dies.