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QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 1, 2008 -> 07:28 PM) Time and ABC are reporting that now, post selection, there's a 10 person Republican team heading up to Alaska to do a proper vetting of Governor Palin. meh, the media is in panic mode because Obama hasn't opened a big gap in this race. I would expect them to go into total attack mode soon, so sending in 10 lawyers to help the VP selection out is probably a good move. edit: but this VP pick seems like it is going to open up family members to a complete free for all media attack. really a shame. i think McCain gave the MSM too much credit assuming they wouldn't go totally in the sewers. THAT was a big miscalculation. so i will concede that point to you.

QUOTE (FlaSoxxJim @ Sep 1, 2008 -> 07:20 PM) Not really. It's a matter of known versus unknown quantities. Most of the leading GOP veep contenders had already been scrutinized enough that there wouldn't be a bunch of little surprises like this to catch McCain's camp flat-footed. "Troopergate", having to square Palin's past support for Big Oil windfall taxes with McCain's stance against them (and Palin's own family industry ties), and the McCain campaign trying to quickly punt and paint Palin as the climate change expert on the team when she's an avowed climate change denier. . . those are just a few of the things the campaign has had to deal with in just 5 days since tapping her for the spot. "First do no harm" is the golden rule of VP selection, and it's already obvious that the campaign failed in that regard with this selection. There is no way they didn't know about that stuff, as even I knew about it. Everyone in the state of Alaska knows as well, and she still has a very high approval rating. If he picked Romney, Gingrich, whoever... the exact same sources attacking Palin's family would be all over whomever the GOP selected. The left wing doesn't like the pick, but it doesn't matter, as they are voting Obama no matter what.

QUOTE (lostfan @ Sep 1, 2008 -> 06:05 PM) All right, now I'm confused, and I don't know what your position is here so I can't say if I agree or disagree with you. 1) McCain knew about it already 2) This 'scandal' hasn't changed my mind about anything 3) McCain refusing to comment on personal family issues is completely legit. 4) It doesn't matter who he picked, it would be 'scandalous' to left wingers. So it is reasonable to consider he knew about this stuff, but didn't think it was a big deal.

QUOTE (FlaSoxxJim @ Sep 1, 2008 -> 06:05 PM) Biggest take-home on for me so far with all the Palin revelations since she was tapped is that McCain's team doesn't know how to vet potential running mates. I'm sure they knew about these 'scandals'. It doesn't matter who he picked, you guys would be going crazy over a 'scandal' with any VP selection.

QUOTE (lostfan @ Sep 1, 2008 -> 05:58 PM) Well I mean he's not going to say he DIDN'T know, that would make him look like a complete dumbass. Of course he's going to say he knew. Do I think he knew? Yeah, probably. Or at least I'd hope so. But I just don't take everything that's said by a politician at face value. So you think he should have given a comment ? I'm not sure what you are getting at. I mean, I understand that politicians can't always be taken for their word, but I'm pretty sure everyone that posts here already has that opinion.

QUOTE (lostfan @ Sep 1, 2008 -> 05:50 PM) Yes they would, without a doubt. Remember when Bush's daughters got caught drinking how much to do was made about that? Actually they wouldn't. There is a difference when it comes to Republican families, as the MSM pretty much left Clinton's kid alone. The MSM also would not touch an abortion, AT ALL. No way. Limabuagh and Hannity might, but the MSM would not. 100% positive on this one. edit: they might go after a Republican's kid on an abortion, they would probably take the 'hypocrisy' angle.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 1, 2008 -> 05:46 PM) I don't know if it should be, but if was publicly found out, it would be. Abso-freaking-lutely. it shouldn't be and the media wouldn't touch it.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 1, 2008 -> 05:41 PM) Just as a thought experiment...let's say that Senator Obama's kids were a bit older and we found out one of them was Pregnant at age 17. Or we found out that Chelsea was pregnant at age 17. What would the reaction have been from the Limbaughs, Hannity's, Dobsons, etc.? Would they have left the kid alone? i have no idea, or really care, what they would do. if Chelsea got an abortion should that be front page news?

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 1, 2008 -> 12:08 PM) Here's the key, if the rumors are that the 4 month old baby actually belonged to the daughter, but the daughter is 5 months pregnant with another child, then the 4 month old can't possibly belong to the daughter. The daughter would have to have been 1 month pregnant at the time that she gave birth to the other kid for that to work out. nope. nope. the 4 month old baby is the daughter's too. i read it on dailkos. it must be true.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 1, 2008 -> 05:32 PM) Probably doesn't belong in this thread, but the media has done some more pushing and questioning on the question Tex asked, whether the McCain camp knew in advance of picking her. I think now the answer should be changed from "Yes" to "No Comment". I think it's safe to say that this coming out has seemingly caught the McCain campaign off guard. Typically if you're doing this on your own, then you leak it at some point when you think it won't do a lot of damage, and you leak it through a trusted source so that you're able to frame the debate. All of a sudden it does seem like more than a few people in the McCain campaign were caught off guard and the press has picked up on that as a theme. If anything, I think it's more indicative of the way Senator McCain made the decision on her, without actually going through a full vetting process and just picking the last card on the table after the ones he liked were eliminated. http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idU...=22&sp=true No comment? well yea, it's not a political matter, it's a personal family thing.

QUOTE (Nokona @ Aug 31, 2008 -> 10:48 PM) You're right, we usually just get shot by your fanatics. that doesn't even make any sense. if you are going to insist on being an instigator, at least come up with something good.

The Palin pick seems to be a pretty good one. It helps with some of the GOP base, puts a woman on the ticket, adds someone with at least some executive experience, and she has very high approval ratings. Of course, McCain isn't going to pick someone Obama voters will approve of, as nothing besides McCain dropping out of the race could appease them. I think the 'state trooper scandal' will be a big deal to the DailyKos and such, but not the average voter. Speaking of which, it seems the Dems are already launching attacks on the Palin family, really no surprise here. http://townhall.com/blog/g/9b3375c7-6a27-4...04-b267282a1ce1 http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/30/12.../137/486/580223

and Alphadog points out how bad the anti-Palin posts have been in the GOP VP thread so what to do? close it. wouldn't want any one to feel uncomfortable blasting a GOP candidate with sexist remarks. *sigh*

QUOTE (lostfan @ Aug 29, 2008 -> 06:02 PM) Please elaborate. If I'm somehow violating the rules I would like to know, honestly. I'm not going to get into this any further.

QUOTE (lostfan @ Aug 29, 2008 -> 04:56 PM) I was trying to be nice about this at first. If your sole purpose in this thread and in this forum is to antagonize and ridicule others in violation of the rules, then please, just don't post. You agreed to the rules, you're expected to follow them. i would also suggest you do the same

QUOTE (DABearSoX @ Aug 29, 2008 -> 04:50 PM) its politics, people have biases...b/c we don't agree with you doesn't mean we are attacking you I never said i was being attacked. You guys just get all worked up when someone who isn't a big Obama supporter posts some smart ass remarks. You guys sure as hell do the same thing (snarky posts); don't get upset and offended when you put yourself out there like that and someone decides to have some fun with you.

QUOTE (lostfan @ Aug 29, 2008 -> 04:46 PM) This is getting annoying. Please stop. oh thats classic

QUOTE (lostfan @ Aug 29, 2008 -> 04:41 PM) Do you see what I'm talking about? You're making this assumption that anybody that disagrees with you on anything, or doesn't accept what you said, is some kind of mindless Obama fanboy. you're not an Obama fanboy?

QUOTE (Rex Kicka** @ Aug 29, 2008 -> 04:43 PM) You haven't had that problem for years. nor have you. just don't get sensitive when someone throws it back in your face.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Aug 29, 2008 -> 04:33 PM) You have got to be kidding. You say the thread is full of snark without even reading it, and then you throw this gem out there? i read the fist 6 pages and just gave up. don't get all pissy because i pointed out that Obama hasn't done anything. the filibuster is rapidly becoming a dailykosII and basically i am going to just stop posting here (like a lot of the former regular conservative posters have) or i will have fun playing along with the direction of the content. i have no problem posting smart alecky garbage either.

QUOTE (Heads22 @ Aug 29, 2008 -> 04:30 PM) There's still a world of difference between US Senator and governor of Alaska. true, the governor is actually running things. pick some random person out of a crowd and they could have done what Obama did in the Senate (which is basically nothing).

QUOTE (Rex Kicka** @ Aug 29, 2008 -> 04:25 PM) Yet you were among the first to whine about it. not whined, merely pointed it out. i honestly don't care if you want to post mindless garbage. go for it.

the University of Illinois is paying John Edwards $65,000 to give a speech what a bulls*** waste of school funds.

QUOTE (DABearSoX @ Aug 29, 2008 -> 05:20 PM) I'm not buying this whole experience bulls*** for eithier side...yea American's buy into it but its raelly not that big of a deal unless we have the fry cook from McDonalds running. i'm just pointing out the flawed logic in a lot of these pro-Obama posts claiming McCain's VP doesn't have the necessary experience..

QUOTE (lostfan @ Aug 29, 2008 -> 04:22 PM) I'm just saying that's the type of language that leads to verbal sparring and more snark. this thread was majority 'snark' before i even posted in it