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OK folks, consider this a general warning in this thread to cool it with the personal stuff.
nice how the buddies get fair warnings
me I just get banned
thats cool though
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Right after you show me where I said that. Keep ducking the logic though if it will help.
If he never amounts to anything, what will we have given up? We didn't give up a big name roster player for him, we gave up a prospect that "MAY BE A STUD SOMEDAY" the same phrase all the BA supporters keep hanging their hat on. To me getting a ML producer for someone that "has a chance to be a good player" is next to nothing
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You didn't answer the question, you just changed your argument. You said we gave up next to nothing. I don't see how that's true.
Show me where it is guaranteed that Carter is going to become a stud in the majors.
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Magglio Ordonez
Carlos Lee
Mark Buehrle
Joe Crede
Jon Garland
Bobby Jenks
Need I go on?
Seriously, are you this obnoxiously negative about life in general, or just the Sox?
Magglio Ordonez undrafted
Carlos Lee undrafted
Mark Buehrle 38th round
Joe Crede 5th round
Bobby Jenks 5th round
Of all those players you named John Garland was the only one drafted in the 1st round.
If you want to argue with me, at least have a clue as to what you are talking about
otherwise you are just wasting both of our time.
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What would you say if Carter hits 40 home runs in MLB in 2011 though? Is it still next to nothing? Chris Carter isn't exactly chopped liver.
Doesn't matter because the deal paid off now. That is what KW wanted, production now, not in 2011.
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So are you suggesting that we trade for everyone's else's 1st round selections ala Quentin then?
I said we gave up nothing for CQ, ChiSoxFn disagreed.
I was merely stating my case. Time will tell if we truely did lose out in the deal, but I would bet we did not. That's all.
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Well, I know I started those threads- I thought you meant other ones besides game-threads and post-game threads (although, I know I started that Cubs/Sox predictions one as well).
Give us the gate key.
I have no gate key.
Fezzik, tear his arms off.
Oh you mean this gate key
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I'd say that Danks and Floyd have certainly lived up to the hype.
Joe Borchard
Jason Stumm
Matt Ginter
Kip Wells
Jason Dellaero
Scott Christman
Need I go on?
And these are just the White Sox picks. Sure its easy to pick the ones that make it, but for every one that does there is probably 10 that dont
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Quentin has been tremendous but it would be inaccurate to say the Sox gave him up for nothing. The prospect the Sox traded for Quentin, Chris Carter, was the 2nd best offensive prospect in the Sox system and a legitimate power prospect (ranking solely behind Josh Fields). He was young for his level and very productive. Carter was eventually traded to the A's as one of the key prospects in the Dan Haren deal.
Last I looked he was raking in the minors as well. It was more the Sox dealing a top prospect for a top prospect who was closer to the majors, but had some injury question-marks which lowered his value to being the equivalent of Chris Carter. Obviously Quentin has been amazing, but I just wanted to note that they did give up a significant prospect to acquire him.
Compared to what CQ is doing at the major league level, I'd still say they got him for next to nothing
Anderson was once a "significant prospect" as well, and so far he hasn't lived up to what he was supposed to. The vast majority of these so-called "significant prospects" are all hype.
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The thing is, his value outweighs his worth on the trade market. No team is going to give up much to get him, at best you'd get a former first round pick who failed (and to a degree, Kenny has had success with this in the past in the Floyd deal (although at that time Garcia was talent) but more specifically in the Thornton deal (1 busted first rounder for another in Joe Borchard). Bottom line, unless the right deal came along (and rarely do they), the only thing you'd get is a potential fringe prospect at best and when you compare that to Anderson's worth (even right now, he's got a spot on a 25 man roster, at least on an NL team in the pinch run/defensive replacement mold) who has at least the ability to be a .270, 20-25 HR, gold glove centerfielder.
Again, I'm not saying it will happen, but Gary Matthews Jr. was a pretty talented guy that took a while to develop (you could make the case that even now he's not that great, but he has some value and given Anderson's defensive ability, if he could put up stats to a similar mold as the average GMJ it wouldn't be terrible). Again its a bit of a stretch given Matthews is a very patient player so he can get away with his lower average to an extent (although there is no denying his career has been poor for most of his career with a couple good years in between (texas) which led to him getting an inflated contract.
CQ was a first round pick and I seem to recall we got him for next to nothing.
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Speaking of Brenly...anybody catch Greenstein's column the other day grading the broadcast teams?
He said about DJ:
I shot him an email that said:
You lost me right there. Listening to DJ is like having a little parrot next to Hawk the whole game...all he does is repeat Hawk.
They should name this duo..."Bird Brains...Hawk and his Parrot".
I got a big "Well Alrighty then..." back.
I used to despise DJ, but I have to admit, I have been cutting him a little slack lately. You are right about the Hawk thing, but you have to admit, Hawk seems to be a my way or the highway sort of guy, and when DJ got there he was just breaking in and still wet behind the ears, he kinda had no choice but to become a Hawk clone if he wanted to keep his job.
I think DJ's getting better though. He speaks with a much firmer voice. Once in a while he'll slip back into the soft spoken voice and it just isn't right for that job.
I still miss Wimpy though
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Javier Vazquez is 32, Danks and Floyd are in their mid-20s and have shown us their potential. That's a horrible analogy.
No, just true
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In my mind, Vazquez is the best starter the Sox have. He's durable, has fantastic stuff, and he's put up results. He's struggled with his command the past few outings, but he'd start game 1 of a playoff series if I were the manager. That, to me, makes him the best pitcher.
That's what's hilarious about this site. People are suggesting that pitchers are or aren't the best starter based on 3 starts. Going based on the last year and a half or so, you won't find a better, more durable pitcher than Vazquez on the White Sox staff. He's thrown the most innings and I'd quickly guess has the second best ERA to Buehrle, but it'd be something like a 3.85 ERA for Buehrle and a 3.95 ERA for Vazquez, which is maybe one or two runs.
God forbid Gavin or Danks get in a funk, this board would light up with TRADE FLOYD/DANKS threads.
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funny...except for that part with Len Kasper and Bob Brenly. Yuck.
I'm sorry...what? they aren't part of the commercial? Well, they still suck!
Im surprised Brenly has a TV job, he has a face for radio. I mean, it looks like a dicarded pin cushion.
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Hawk always says:I think he'll be our Chone Figgins. He will play wherever he is needed to play depending on the strengths and weaknesses from year to year. With his arm, I think he could even play 3rd.
If you can play SS, you can play any position on the field! Dadgum right, hunker down, your what hurts? -
But you aren't comparing the Freddy Garcia of 2008 to Brian Anderson of 2008. You are comparing Freddy Garcia of the 06/07 offseason to the Brian Anderson of 2008. There's a monstrous difference between the two.
I also was under the belief that Freddy was in decline too, but the Phillies apparently didn't know or care too much. It also doesn't matter, because Garcia's track record and prestige was and still quite frankly is just a bit better than Anderson. That, and the fact that Anderson is damn near valueless at the current moment.
Yeah I was here too, and his "split finger" that he developed in September was amazing. It was obvious he was in a bit of a decline, and I'm hoping he can make it back at some point this season or next, but I'm not holding out much hope for anything either way.
It still doesn't change his track record or his reputation as an innings eater, which Anderson has nothing comparable to...I know you aren't arguing that, but someone apparently is.
Ok, maybe it was a poor choice to use Freddy because while the Sox knew there was something wrong with him, Philly obviously didn't.
But in no way can that be twisted into a comparison between the two players. You are way outta line with that one
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Why don't people do what I do and not read his articles? He wants people to hate him and people read his collumns to anger them. If people stopped reading he wouldn't have a job. Who cares what he says.
I got your back there. I cancelled my sub. and told them I wont come back until Mariotti is gone. If there weren't hate mail for him there wouldn't be any mail at all, and eventually he would fade away like a pimple on an ass.
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some real gems here
His name is Orlando Cabrera.
Look at their bullpen, their #1 starter, their top 3 starters, and the amount of good hitters in the middle of the lineup from those years. Tell me if something correlates between that and those 4 division titles.
In 2005, they lost the division - their offense was terrible. Matt LeCroy, Torii Hunter, and Joe Mauer were overall their best hitters...and that's Joe Mauer as essentially a rookie, for the first time feeling the rigors of a full season, not the Joe Mauer from 2006 when he led the league in hitting. Matt LeCroy. Let that sink in for a second.
Last season, they had 3 good hitters and 2 above average hitters, and pretty much everyone else was mediocre or worse (consider that Nick Punto got 536 plate appearances...he hit .210 and hit for no power at all, meaning he was one of the worst hitters in the entire major leagues and that a guy from, say, high-A ball could have outproduced him offensively) and, as a factor of such poor offensive production, they didn't score many runs.
You can't count on luck. You can generally count on fundamental baseball from fundamentally sound baseball players, but you can't count on luck or clutch. If you want "lucky" players, you'll find them on the bench. Timo Perez was a "lucky" player, and that's where he sat until his name was drawn. When he played full time in August of 2005, he was exposed and the Sox were absolutely terrible.
Someone like say.................oh I don't know.............BRIAN ANDERSON! There you go, I guess he isn't that bad after all.
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Different players between the ears.
Exactly why I say BA will never get it.
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So your logic is that we shouldn't play Brian Anderson because Alexei has learned how to hit major league pitching faster than him?
You got it, great observation Einstein!
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There's nothing stopping me from comparing the two.
I've never advocated starting Brian over Swish, and, ask anyone, I carry Brian's jock more than anyone. BA should be starting now that PK is hurt, and always in CF (not sure why he wouldn't), but he's a solid 4th OF option.
His biggest problem right now is that he's DEAD pull. He's getting by on hits between SS and 3B. He's eliminated a bit of the hole in his swing, but I'd like to see him spray the ball more. Of course, he's pressing, because he knows his ABs are limited, and he still fully thinks he's capable of starting.
Ramirez is a dead pull hitter as well, that's not stopping him from hovering around .300. Plus the dude has never his ML pitching before this year.
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When I was a kid I loved Sandberg, Grace, and Dawson.
When I was a kid I was a fan of both teams, somewhere along the line Cub fans drove me to the Force.
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We don't need him to do either of the first two.
If he hit .255-.260, hit 17 home runs, drove in 60 and played his usual defense over a full season, would anyone have a problem with him? He could likely do that with a starting role.
then you can't compare the two cause you expect different production from each of them
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You mean the Freddy Garcia who won 14 games in 2005 and had a sub 4 ERA? the Freddy Garcia who pitched in the clinching game of the World Series and threw 7 shutout innings? the Freddy Garcia who put up a more than respectable 4.53 ERA in 2006 and was absolutely phenomenal in September, leading some to believe he may have "re-invented himself?" the same Freddy Garcia who had 116 career wins and a career ERA of 4.01 at the time of the deal in over 1600 innings in the majors? that Freddy Garcia?
So, just so we are clear, you have compared Freddy Garcia and Brian Anderson, correct? Because if you say no, that's definitely what it appears as though you have done.
No the Freddy Garcia that is on the back of a milk carton right now
If you seriously think the Sox didn't know that there was something wrong with Freddy when they dealt him, you're ON something
Brian Anderson
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maybe you should actually read entire threads before you butt into other peoples conversations and try to pick fights.
maybe then you could get on the same page as everyone else, skippy!