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    5/13: Minnesota @ Chicago White Sox 1:10 PM CDT

    in 2021 Season in Review

    Posted

    1 hour ago, Chicago White Sox said:

    I get playing the bench guys, but I fundamentally disagree with how much Tony uses them.  That being said, the real problem is we need better bench guys if Tony is going to use them as often as he does.  Getting Engel back will definitely help in the OF, but I would love to find a versatile left-handed bat that could make Lamb or Leury disappear.

    I don't have a problem with the amount he uses them...he just needs better bench players.  Losing 2/3rds of your OFer and your 4th OFer doesn't help.  It is a long season with a DH coming up tomorrow and the start of a LONG stretch of games.  Batting Lamb 2nd is inexcusable no matter who else is in the lineup.

    Rodon

    in Pale Hose Talk

    Posted

    15 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said:

    Maybe be have different definitions of rode hard and put away wet.  To me that's like letting the dude complete multiple games over 130 pitches just because the other team has 2 or fewer runs.  The numbers you are showing me look like a plan by the White Sox to increase his innings with a manageable workload every season 

    I am going to have agree with this.  Sox were super careful with Sale and he was definitely not throwing max velocity all the time like he did in Boston.  I think the combination of throwing more max velocity and extended playoff run ruined Sale's arm, not what he did in Chicago.  Unless you want to make the argument it was the accumulation of innings in Chicago and then what he did in Boston, but if that were the case that would happen to any pitcher.  He did not have a ridiculous amount of innings here.

    May 4th Games

    in FutureSox Board

    Posted

    23 hours ago, bmags said:

    Yeah, that draft saw a bunch of high schoolers get signed we didn't expect, Krogman and Logan glass especially. Though Bush had a bit more on him that made him seem like an unlikely sign (I feel like he was a top 300 guy, not sure Krogman was. But Krogman was a high schooler in the 34th round so it was unlikely, and he looks super interesting.

    His swing kind of reminds me of Kole Calhoun.  I like the aggressiveness he swings with.

    Tigers @ Sox, 4/29/21

    in 2021 Season in Review

    Posted

    10 minutes ago, Lillian said:

    I don't agree with the opening game lineup choices. However, in trying to understand La Russa's rationale, LH hitters have averaged .313 with a .405 OBP and a  .656 SLG %, against MIze. That is probably why he has Lamb, Garcia and Hamilton in the line up. Robert would likely not be up to both games, given his recent flu like symptoms. Again, I don't agree, but I'm trying to understand his thought process.

    I am guessing most of those LHH that had success are better hitters than Hamilton, Lamb & Garcia....but I see what you mean.  Hard to figure out any kind of thought process from LaRussa.

    4-1 GT: CWS @ LAA (9:05 PM CT)

    in 2021 Season in Review

    Posted

    58 minutes ago, manbearpuig said:

    I hate it. You might as well have kept him in the minors 2 weeks to get the extra year of control and platooned Yermin instead.

    Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't the start of MiLB delayed?  So would it be longer than 2 weeks?  Or does only MLB season timeline matter for service time?

    2020 NBA Regular Season Thread

    in A and J's Olde Tyme Sports Pub

    Posted

    15 minutes ago, bmags said:

    I don't really like this at all. I don't like paying premiums for B level players, there better be some really good protections for the 1st round picks especially this year. 

    Now, I am not a basketball expert, and a lot of people dislike the way orlando has used players. But Vucevic is a good player, but now we don't have 2 1st round picks should there ever be a great player. We don't have a 1st to potentially draft a great player this year. We have Zach LAvine and Vucevic...so we may be the orlando magic.

    If they were able to keep this as a top 15 pick, that is easier to take. But also , f***g  tank this year to not get top 8.

    Vucevic while 30, is a top 20 player in the NBA this year.  He is signed for 2 more years I believe?  If they can get a real PG along with this it is for more than just this year, this is a 2 year type plan.  Hopefully the '23 1st round pick isn't that good....that means the trade worked.

    Keith Law's Top 100, 2 White Sox make the list

    in FutureSox Board

    Posted

    16 hours ago, Harold's Leg Lift said:

    The amount of fanboys who think Keith Law hates their favorite team is staggering.  

    I used to be in that boat until I became more educated on scouting and what he is looking at.  People like to point to guys like Sale as to why he hates the WS, but all KLaw was saying with Sale was he didn't like his violent delivery and thought he would be a RP or his arm would explode.  Most of the time he probably would have been proven to be correct but Sale is just a freak of nature.  No one scouting is going to get every prospect right, it just isn't possible.  I agree with your previous post that I think he is among the best in business.

    Sox sign Hendriks: 3/$39M - 4th year optional with $15M buyout

    in Pale Hose Talk

    Posted

    1 minute ago, vilehoopster said:

    This is a good point. I cannot think of a counter to this arguement/ point. You have me. 

    Coming in without the opportunity for the save (but still get the loss), does show why the save percentage might skew in Colome's favor. 

    A good point. You have me on this one. 

    I know this comment wasn't directed at me, but for the record..I personally wasn't trying to gang up on you, I just think that Blown Save is a flawed stat especially when you start to include players that are pitching not in 9th inning and like southsider2k5 mentioned, not all save oppts are the same.  I would also not worry about defense with Hendriks as much as I would with Colome because Hendriks strikes out nearly 2x the number of batters.  Hendriks 12.09 K/9 career (13 K/9 last year) vs Colome 8 K/9 career (6.45 K/9 last year).  Colome does a lot with smoke and mirrors which is just harder to count on over a long term vs a pitcher that misses a ton more bats.  Hendriks is a big risk given his age, but as long as it doesn't preclude the Sox from making additional moves this is a plus addition, not a minus.

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    Sox sign Hendriks: 3/$39M - 4th year optional with $15M buyout

    in Pale Hose Talk

    Posted

    26 minutes ago, vilehoopster said:

    Sorry, but this is a bad take.  Colome hasn't even been the most valuable White Sox reliever over the last 2 years, that would be Bummer.  Over the last 2 years Hendriks has been the best reliever in all of baseball and it isn't even particularly close.

    We've reached the point of this discussion of comparing save stats as to who is better.   At least it's not ERA comparison.  But still dumb no doubt. 

    When a closer comes in, all that matters is the save, save the game for your team. How it was done should not matter at all, not at all. And when you look at who was better at saves, Colome was twice as good as Hendriks, twice as good. Again, indisputable fact: in the last two years, in one more appearance, Hendrick blew TWICE as many games as Colome over the last two years, indisputable fact. Whether he did it with ground out, fly outs, or strikes outs doesn't matter. What matters is saving the win. And again, Hendircks blew twice as many games as Colome over the last two years, and if we're gonna look at other factors, he blew twice as many with a much better defense behind him. 

    The first guy I quoted gives all these stats: babip and strike out rate. That shit doesn't matter if you're blowing the save, twice as many. Looking at babip and missed bats and ignoring who is better at keeping the lead with the game on the line is the ultimate example of not seeing the forest for the trees. 

    That's like saying after a loss, "Well, if you look at the stats, we really won. We had more hits, better bat on ball percentage, and less strike outs, so I think we should count this as a win."  That's ridiculous. The win is what matters. For a closer, all that matters is the save, and Colome saves more games at a higher percentage than Hendricks. And let me quote the first guy in italics up above, "it isn't even particularly close". Comparing Colome to the Hendriks (looking at only past performance the last two years) Hendricks will loss two or three saves next year that Colome would have kept. But that's okay; we don't need those couple wins, we'll just admire Hendrik's babip and strike out rate. 

    Looked deeper into the blown saves.

    2 of those blown saves were as an 8th inning or earlier guy not as a closer.  He became the A's closer in June of 2019.  So that knocks it down to 6 blown saves as a closer vs 4 for Colome.  This was also a brand new role for him moving from 7th/8th inning to 9th inning.  3 of those 6 blown saves happened within his month of being a closer in July over a 3 game stretch looking at the game log, one of those being a multiple inning affair.  Taking out a single stat in isolation without the full picture is why it is a bad take.  Looking at the full body of work over 2 years in which he was clearly the best RP in all of baseball is a clearer look at Hendriks vs. Colome as a closer.

    For reference Hendriks game log from 2019:

    https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/players/player/gamelogs/2019/1756629/liam-hendriks

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    Tommy La Stella Emoji of a Target Discussion

    in Pale Hose Talk

    Posted

    On 12/24/2020 at 8:40 AM, Chicago White Sox said:

    Fucking Reisndorf is totally going to blow this window for us by cheaping out.  I understand the need for budgets, but if a $7M salary puts your roster over the top the owner should be making an exception.  Hendriks, Quintana / Richards, & La Stella gives us a complete roster with some semblance of depth and a potential best in class bullpen come October.  An owner that is serious about winning a championship adds those guys and doesn’t blink an eye.  It’s absolutely sad what we have to deal with as Sox fans.

    I would like this...we have 1/3 so far.  I would prefer Richards/Kluber over Q though.

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    Sox sign Hendriks: 3/$39M - 4th year optional with $15M buyout

    in Pale Hose Talk

    Posted

    4 minutes ago, vilehoopster said:

    I agree with this guy. The Sox spent all this money to get a guy less good than Colome. 

    Here's a copy and past from what I posted earlier on this topic on a different thread: 

    Colome is clearly, clearly better than Hendriks. Clearly. 

    Colome the last two years:

    2019 - 30 saves in 33 save opportunities

    2020 - 12 saves in 13 save opportunities

    Hendricks last two years:

    2019 - 25 saves in 32 save chances

    2020 - 14 saves in 15 save opportunities

    Totals: 

    Colome - 42 saves in 46 save opportunities -- four blown saves

    Hendricks - 39 saves in 47 opportunities - eight blown saves

    In only one more opportunity, Hendricks has blown twice as many games as Colome over the last two years, twice as many. 

    I am glad the Sox are spending money, and I am going to say the the Sox brass knows what they're doing, but I don't get how Hendrick at the best closer in baseball when he wasn't better than Colome. Again, Hendrick blew twice as many saves as Colome over the last two years, twice as many. 

    I'm glad the Sox are spending money and especially glad we didn't get a stiff like Brad Hand, but the Sox could have kept Colome for a lot, lot less money and had a better reliever. 

    Sorry, but this is a bad take.  Colome hasn't even been the most valuable White Sox reliever over the last 2 years, that would be Bummer.  Over the last 2 years Hendriks has been the best reliever in all of baseball and it isn't even particularly close.  Could he fall off a cliff by year 3?  Most definitely he will be 35 by that time.  But the Sox have safeguarded themselves against this with the buyout.

    Top RP last 2 seasons:

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    His contract is also right in line with what Fangraphs crowdsourcing put him at:

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    But I do agree with everyone saying that hopefully this doesn't preclude them from making additional moves (SP and/or lefty bat).  I would prefer if they still address both.

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