NorthSideSox72

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Jan 8, 2008 -> 10:06 PM) Right now they'd have to go more than 80-20 Obama for him to make up that gap. I wouldn't think they'd make it up. I'd think they'd cut the lead by a lot. Then its left to the rural areas left in the rest of the state - which seem slightly leaning to Obama.

Durham (UNH), Rindge (I forget what school) and Hanover (Dartmouth) are the college towns still open, by the way. Add those up there are about 6000 registered Dems, in college towns.

Clinton lead back up to about 4000 votes again. But still waiting on those college towns.

Ya know, I keep hearing the media pundits referring to Obama being really far left. Thing is, you look at his issue ideas and stances, he is clearly more moderate than Clinton or Edwards. I think his moderate ideas on things like health care (not wanting as much government health care) and religion (tends to be less of a secularist), are reasons the indepedents like him. They seem to be missing this entirely.

QUOTE(MurcieOne @ Jan 8, 2008 -> 09:46 PM) are you sure? he said it was. Nope - that county is still not in.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Jan 8, 2008 -> 09:37 PM) 4300 vote margin now. I think it's over. 3500, still missing Dartmouth and a couple other college towns. Not over yet.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Jan 8, 2008 -> 09:37 PM) 4300 vote margin now. I think it's over. Depends on Dartmouth, as said earlier. If that gets the gap below 1000, then its still up in the air.

Joe Biden, who is not even running anymore, has more votes than Mike Gravel.

OK so, the gap between Clinton and Obama is now 39%-36% (was 40-35) at 30% reporting, but they are saying the Clinton camp is sounding like they are going to lose. Interesting.

Clinton now with a 3500 vote lead, up 40% to 34%, with 22% reporting.

QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Jan 8, 2008 -> 08:31 PM) Hm. Clinton had a 2100 vote margin... now down to about 1600. And now back up to 2000. Looks like this will be really close. The areas they are saying Obama will do well in are reporting slower.

Hm. Clinton had a 2100 vote margin... now down to about 1600.

QUOTE(Rex Kicka** @ Jan 8, 2008 -> 08:19 PM) Half of Manchester reporting, Clinton up there by 1400 votes. Nice turnout organization on her part. Where are you getting the district-specific vote totals?

QUOTE(Gene Honda Civic @ Jan 8, 2008 -> 08:16 PM) Rex just addressed this, but Manchester as urban as NH gets (33% reporting) has Hill blowing the doors off Obama, by 15 points. The 1000 vote difference as of this second can be traced entirely to Manchester. Wait, Manchester is already reported? QUOTE(Rex Kicka** @ Jan 8, 2008 -> 08:18 PM) Fox News exit poll has Obama winning by 5. Faux News? And an exit poll? Hard to have that matter less.

Wow, currently, with 12% reporting... Clinton 38% Obama 36% Edwards 17% Richardson 5% And for he GOP... McCain 37% Romney 28% Huckabee 12% Giuliani 9% Paul 9% Thompson 1% So Clinton surprising so far, and the fight for 3rd in the GOP is interesting.

Oh yeah, they went there.

QUOTE(Texsox @ Jan 8, 2008 -> 07:34 PM) We need an oil man in the White House, that would fix it. Where have you been, ya old fart?

QUOTE(Markbilliards @ Jan 8, 2008 -> 06:19 PM) So what pitchers do the White Sox have that we could be excited about now? Adam f***ing Tollefson. Future ace. Book it.

Predictions are fun! I got the Dems pretty good last time, but was way off on the GOP. Here is my new shot... DEMOCRATS... Obama 40% Clinton 26% Edwards 20% Richardson 11% REPUBLICANS: McCain 33% Romney 25% Huckabee 17% Paul 10% Giuliani 10% Thompson 3%

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Jan 8, 2008 -> 05:01 PM) You know what, I actually disagree with you here. The climate millions of years ago is very relevant, because we can actually get data about it. For example, we can get data that suggest that the CO2 concentration in the atmosphere was much higher 50 million years ago and we can look at the geology to tell us what was going on on the earth during that time. Right now, we're already pushing atmospheric CO2 up to levels it hasn't been at in several million years, in another century at current rates we'll have CO2 concentrations above those 50 million years ago at the Eocene Thermal Maximum (1000 ppm or so). One useful bit of info is that it seems that the earth was unable to establish permanent ice caps until CO2 levels dropped to below 500 ppm CO2 or so, and in the past 100 years we've gone from 280 to nearly 400, so that bit of geology gives us some suggestion about where the tipping point in the ice cap system may lie. Well I was really trying to emphasize the last few hundred thousand years, being as that is a very long time period weather-wise, and there is solid data to work from. But as we are on the topic of millions of years ago, while I am sure you can indeed get data, I would think that because of the geological reality of the time (all that volcanism, totally different environment biologically, atmosphere so different, etc.), that data would be less meaningful. I would put less stock in it. Feel free to tell me why I am wrong - I am open to correction.

QUOTE(Reddy @ Jan 8, 2008 -> 04:42 PM) ok new predictions. we're gonna get rocked. I am now very curious. What is the information you guys are being given? And what is the new "plan" in the Edwards camp?

QUOTE(iamshack @ Jan 8, 2008 -> 04:51 PM) Care to elaborate? How can we understand climate change when we have only been keeping data for .0003 % of the Earth's history and draw accurate conclusions from that? History can be found without having been there, via numerous scientific methods. I was in agreement with you on research and caution, but I think you are wrong about not being able to draw some conclusions about our climate. WE know a LOT more than we did just a few decades ago, and the data being researched stretches back hundreds of thousands of years. How is that not big enough of a sample? Besides, the climate millions of years ago is irrelevant, given the planet was so completely different.

QUOTE(NCsoxfan @ Jan 8, 2008 -> 04:27 PM) 3 months pay Prepare for a recession my friends, I wouldnt be in any US equities right now or through 08 Well, as a long term investor who isn't retiring any time soon, market corrections and down markets are just buying opportunities for me. But I am fortunate. Others are not.

QUOTE(iamshack @ Jan 8, 2008 -> 03:06 PM) Many of these technologies do not need to be put into mass consumption in order to discover they have very harmful consequences. What happens is pure capitalism takes over and blinds the manufacturers as to the actual environmental affect of the technology. What is required is more research, not reactionary responses. Look at what we have done with wildlife preservation. We've altered the ecosystem through our irresponsibility for centuries. However, the ecosystem adapts. And just as it adapts, we attempt to restore it to some half-assed natural state, and it not only does not fix what we have previously destroyed, but it then ruins the ecosystem that has adapted to that destruction. We need research, research, research, patience, small-scale pilot programs, common sense, and more research and patience. Meanwhile we are ignoring the problems we have as a society today, and trying to solve the problems our grandchildren may have in the future, ill-equipped and helpless as we are at this point....it's just so backwards in my opinion... I see your point, and agree to an extent. No doubt that our "experiments" in, for your example, wildlife preservation, have at times been disastrous. Just look at Lake Michigan - the alewifes, the salmon and trout, and that whole mess. But, we get better at it as time goes on. All sorts of reintroductions are happening successfully now around the country, along with habitat restorations, that are simply much more educated and researched (as you rightly suggest). Plus, I think you can almost always go right by leaving nature to its course. Leaving space undisturbed, it will find a way to balance itself with its surroundings. I'm a big advocate of open space initiatives, but I think the best ones are exactly that - leave the space to become wild on its own, to the extent possible.

Good for Goose! I really think Blyleven should have gotten in, though. Nice to see Baines is still alive - barely. And I am surprised how poorly Raines did. PED spillover effect?