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1 minute ago, LittleHurtCG said:
This isn't just bad baseball though. This is historically bad baseball. it is absolutley unwatchable.
At least with Cease or Sale you could tune in every 5 days. Or with Burger there was always a chance for a Burger bomb and the dude appeared to actually play with some hustle.
That is a terrible way to run a franchise. With the gap between good and bad as historic levels, the need to accumulate a lot of talent all at once is greater than ever before. Losing players for nothing when you have one of the lowest amounts of talent in your franchise from top to bottom is borderline negligence.
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Looks like Aaron Boone got tossed for a fan behind him saying something. Look where everyone points, even the dude in the 2nd row pointing at the guy in front of him.
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28 minutes ago, SoxAce said:
Could be an interesting development. Falcons could lose their 8th overall pick.
There is also a twitter rumor that Minny would pick up the pick as compensation. Jesus this could be huge.
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Just now, LittleHurtCG said:
Likely nothing as long as JR is the owner and Chris Getz the General Manager. Hopefully this offeason the team attempts to build around Robert and Crochet by signing some veteran free agents who aren't totally washed up. They should also try to identify which of their top prospects are really just fools gold and trade them for some players who can make an immediate impact.
Would you include Louis Robert in the category of "core" players that were held onto too long?
Acquiring multiple blue chippers is a lot easier said than done. Most Sox fans I know have very little interest in sitting through another 4-5 tank job of unwatchable baseball.
Whether Cease, Burger, and/or Aaron Bummer was here, we are going to go through years of bad baseball. Period. End of story. Even in that list of 3 players, Dylan Cease is the only one with any REAL value to a franchise. I won't pretend that Jake Burger and Aaron Bummer are some sort of difference makers. If you get value to specialty relievers and DH's you trade them everytime when you have a 100 loss team if someone is willing to give you some value for them.
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19 minutes ago, PaleAleSox said:
The few years that people pretended to like hockey was very annoying.
I absolutely love hockey, especially live. I am disgusted by the actions that this franchise look, and the genius of the cover up is that most of the participants were gone or disposable by the time it came out.
Even all of that said, the franchise is worth a half a billion dollars less than the piddly White Sox. Even in the midst of the Sox downward spiral, they still managed to pull in an extra $60 million more than the Hawks did last year. That is a direct result of media revenue amongst other things. In any three team partnership, the Hawks are going to be pulling in BY FAR, the least revenue, and it won't even be particularly close. The Sox were estimated at $60 million in local money in 2022. Can't find one one for the Hawks, but I promise you it is no where near that number.
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3 minutes ago, GreatScott82 said:
Well said. Gordon Beckham mentioned on the CWS talk podcast awhile back that Getz indirectly ackowledged that Hahn/KW held onto their 'core' players too long. Getz told Beckham that he wants to be able to maximize on a players return values earlier rather than waiting. The tricky part is all of these damn injuries for these broken/expensive players. It's hard to unload bad contracts to guys made of glass. The key to fixing this thing is from the bottom up. The farm system needs to acquire multiple blue chippers and perhaps finally learn how to scout and develop their own homegrown talent. Something that the Sox just never do.
Another immediate fix would be for Jerry to sell, but since he would be too bored in his final years, Sox fans will be hanging out in pergatory until his final days arrive.
If the Getz era is going to be different than the Hahn era, it has to start in the farm system. Barring the tank trades, the man was not able to generate even replacement level players on a regular basis, let alone decent starters to fill empty positions. This has to start with having players forcing their way on to the major league roster on a regular basis. You can work around not spending (like we have seen in Tampa and more recently Baltimore, and every once in a while in "Oakland"), but you can't work around not investing in the system.
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14 minutes ago, Quin said:
Spending money.
We've beat the drum ad nauseum, but JR could have opened up the pocketbook for Harper or Machado, or if we want to get real fucking crazy, both.Insert both those guys into that 2020 lineup ad you've got RF + 2B (Moncada stays at 2B) solved for the first time in forever. They don't draft Madrigal for need.
But nooooo, can't spend money. So guess the only other option is rebuild. Which I know you that you know Joe, but I need to spell out for people who don't understand it.
Even if they spent Mets money this year, they weren't getting out of this mess.
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1 minute ago, Paulie4Pres said:
I love how people keep bringing this up, even though the management that was guilty of this is completely gone, and the owner is dead.
This is also rich considering you are still a White Sox fan, despite the Omar Vizquel s%*#. Which was just as deplorable, if not worse... That also happened much more recently.
I am also clearly talking about a financial perspective here, and not "image".
From a financial perspective the NHL is a red-headed step child compared to the NBA and MLB.
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Just now, Paulie4Pres said:
If I am the Blackhawks, I want nothing to do with the Bulls/Sox. It's only going to hurt their business by being tied to them.
As the team that protected a molester for a decade, I don't think they have much room to think of their image.
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26 minutes ago, LittleHurtCG said:
I think the point you are missing is that some of us don't really get a crap about prospect capital at this point. We already played that game before and struck out badly. Chris Sale or Dylan Cease pitching every 5 days was at least a reason to turn on the television and watch a game. There is really no reason to turn on the game right now and watch this hot pile of garbage.
Another tank job will not work!
Oh I got your point, I just don't think you understand that winning 63 games this year instead of 55 and then losing all of those guys anyways makes a damned bit of sense when a team is as bereft of talent as the White Sox are right now.
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8 hours ago, Rusty said:
I certainly don’t disagree but it’s a business. Pedro and Getz are very likely the cheapest manager and GM in MLB. He has a sweetheart stadium deal. Revenue sharing is still a thing. Short of hiring Ozzie, which he won’t do, no one is watching the team anyways. If he drives down attendance and viewer ratings he can get a lower price to move the teams to Stadium to pad his own bank account. Don’t underestimate how much of a piece of s%*# Jerry is…
Here's the thing that makes that unplausible to me. The Sox already ate something to the order of what Pedro would make over the next two years to sign Bryan Shaw for a week and a half. If he was really in that big of a cost cutting mode, they wouldn't be signing Tommy Pham or Michael Clevinger. The numbers are WAY bigger for them than they are for Pedro.
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1 minute ago, LittleHurtCG said:
The Sox didn't need to trade away Dylan Cease, Jake Burger, or Aaron Bummer. Wouldn't have made much of a difference most likely, but trading away those guys pretty much signaled the start of another tank job era on the South Side.
No, the tank era started when every single player regressed from 2021-22, and turned the major league roster into a dumpster fire. Being ignorant of the teams position and failing to get a return for expiring assets would have only compounded the problem that this team was already facing. It is sunk cost fallacy. The failure already occurred. It's what is done afterwards that can cost the team years and prospect capital.
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10 hours ago, fathom said:
39 wins this year?
The Lions won as many games as the Pistons this year. I wonder if the Sox can match the Bears... (sarcasm)
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11 hours ago, SoCalChiSox said:
Yeah, I starting to look like no one really won that trade.
It is so early for that. Again people need to keep in mind with the broken foot last year Eder is still in the conditioning ramp up phase post TJS. He needs innings and could still be physically recovering his stuff. If you include AFL, he is at about 60 inning post TJS as a starter.
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8 hours ago, kitekrazy said:
No one was going to give up much for a rental player of his caliber. Hindsight is easy. They tried.
They might not have gotten as much as the year before, but they would have gotten a lot.
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1 minute ago, caulfield12 said:
He's hurt/oblique.
And he already helped the Marlins to one more post season (than zero with Eder)...
He's hurt, shouldn't people be mocking him for being injured again?
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4 minutes ago, baseball_gal_aly said:
For those that want to complain about the Burger trade, he is hitting .228 with a .281 OBP and a .702 OPS for Miami.
Looks like the trade might end up being a wash for both sides.
You knew he was slumping when his numbers weren't getting updated daily.
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12 minutes ago, wegner said:
What # do we pick this draft?
This draft, as in three months from now, #5.
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10 minutes ago, Dick Allen said:
Jirschele would take it, Montoya would take it. Just about anyone JR would actually hire would take it.
Montoyo wouldn't have taken the job of bench coach if he wasn't willing to take over as Mgr.
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If you can manage the 40 man to get him here, there's literally nothing to lose, but it is worth mentioning that he screams 4A splits.
AAA career 282/.366/.456/.822
MLB career .242/.298/.354/.652
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8 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said:
In other news, gotta imagine we see Mendick tomorrow for Sosa. Dudes on fire for Charlotte.
Here's the thing. Mendick is not on the 40. We already have 2 40 man moves in coming with Clevinger and Pham. That would mean we need to figure out a 3rd guy to boot.
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"It's going to take time"
in Pale Hose Talk
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I don't see a realistic scenario where we can get enough talent to the majors in 4 years to help Luis Robert be on a playoff team unless we trade Luis Robert to a playoff team soon and clean up.