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    Tim Anderson Interview by The Pivot

    in Pale Hose Talk

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    1 hour ago, South Side Hit Men said:

    Well Luis Aparicio is in the Hall of Fame on a BB Writers ballot (not crony Jerry Baines VC ballot), and he averaged 0.2 fWAR more than Tim.

    A franchise can suck as but still have good players. Mike Trout, a GOAT, has a lower franchise winning record than the Sox, doesn't negate his greatness.

    Not saying Tim is anywhere close to Trout or HOF level, but saying he had a solid overall career with the White Sox, and his 3 fWAR puts him in the Good Player range per Fangraphs metrics, someone most of us appreciated over the years as Sox fans.

    and Luis is in the HOF because of his glove, TAs value is only that high in your chart because the organization lets him play a position he has no business playing, but that a whole other argument.

    Tim Anderson Interview by The Pivot

    in Pale Hose Talk

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    26 minutes ago, South Side Hit Men said:

    Career stats, or what some here call "cherry picked".

    White Sox Shortstop fWAR per season career leaders - Legitimate MLB seasons (1947-2023), minimum 5 White Sox Seasons & 5 total fWAR:

    1. 3.4 Jose Valentin (17.3 fWAR / 5.0 White Sox Seasons)
    2. 3.2 Luis Aparicio (32 / 10.0)
    3. 3.0 Tim Anderson (19.4 / 6.4)
    4. 2.9 Ron Hansen (18.4 / 6.3)
    5. 2.8 Chico Carrasquel (16.8 / 6.0)
    6. 2.5 Alexei Ramirez (19.6 / 8.0)
    7. 1.6 Jose Uribe (7.8 / 5.0)
    8. 1.5 Craig Grebeck (8.3 / 5.6)
    9. 1.5 Scott Fletcher (8.0 / 5.4)
    10. 1.0 Ozzie Guillen (12.5 / 12.6)

    White Sox Third Base fWAR per season career leaders - Legitimate MLB seasons (1947-2023), minimum 5 White Sox Seasons & 5 total fWAR:

    1. 4.5 Robin Ventura (39.2 / 8.7)
    2. 3.0 Pete Ward (20.7 / 7.0)
    3. 2.8 Bill Melton (19.8 / 7.2)
    4. 2.7 Yoan Moncada (14.9 / 5.2)
    5. 1.7 Joe Crede (11.3 / 6.5)
    6. 1.5 Floyd Baker (7.5 / 5.0)

    The Sox are one of the most miserable franchises to ever exist in any sport, they have a .503 winning % in the time frame of your graphic, comparing them against themselves is a tallest midget award.  But the fact that a journeyman SS that never made a single All Star game is 2 slots above TA kinda proves my point, not yours.  And IDGAF what Mike Trout thinks about the dude, I've can guarantee I've watched way more of TA's career than he has. 

    Using fWAR for all eligible/qualified SS's from 2016-today, Tim ranks 13th in the league in fWAR per game in that time span, right between Javier Baez and Willy Adames.  He's a league average SS at best and getting worse by the minute. 

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    Tim Anderson Interview by The Pivot

    in Pale Hose Talk

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    5 minutes ago, Buehrle>Wood said:

    Lmao Oh yeah you've definitely been watching a completely different player then throughout his career. Tim Anderson has always played with energy and swagger. 12 year old dogs arent getting into it with Stroman, Donaldson, the entirety of the Royals, etc. MLB was doing ad campaigns with his famed bat flips (event after going after him). The war vs the Unwritten rules was awesome. Winning batting titles is exciting. Being flashy is exciting. Field of Dreams is one of the best modern MLB moments. Tim Anderson was all that, but none of that over the past year for whatever reason unfortunately. Hope he gets it back. I get what made him great also makes people want to hate him more, but to say he hasn't played with much energy over the course of his career is the most revisionist history of revisionist history.

     

     

    I guess we have different definitions of "exciting."  I don't find the bat flipping or on field altercations to be exciting, or be anything of value.  Baseball is a grind, you mentioned 5 instances, 5 instances of flash does not make somebody a good or exciting baseball player.  Sure, the FOD moment was a top 5 White Sox moment of the last 20 years, but at the end of the day it was a walk off HR in a regular season game.  Batting titles are great, but even when he was winning them he was never "great."  He's finished in the top 10 of MVP voting one time.   He's always been, and always will be, a 1 dimensional player that relies on unsustainable BABIP to provide even average value at his position.  I like my SS's to have enough energy to get rid of the ball on routine plays in a timely manner, save the swagger until after you've won anything ever.  I think Tim had promise, enough promise that a lot of people like yourself confused it with ability and excitement, but that ship has long sailed and Tim's career is looking more and more like a bust every day. 

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    Tim Anderson Interview by The Pivot

    in Pale Hose Talk

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    20 hours ago, Buehrle>Wood said:

    He makes me seethe too Ala the other day with his bone headed play at short. But when he's on, there's few more exciting players. He could have been a face of baseball. Seems unlikely at this point but I hope he turns it around with his play.

    I read stuff like this and wonder if I've been watching a different player over his entire career.  The guy has a career OPS+ of 103, never had an OPS over .886, has stolen 20 bases exactly once, can't stay on the field and has been a subpar defender his entire career.  He plays with as much energy as a 12 year old dog and makes routine plays look like spectacular ones.  A slappy singles hitter is one of the most exciting players in the game?  He's rarely if ever been a top 8 player at his position, let alone the face of the sport.  Do you watch other teams?  Serious question. 

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    6/8 Sox @ Yankees Doubleheader Game 1 3:05PM CT

    in 2023 Season in Review

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    2 minutes ago, The Kids Can Play said:

    This the result of an aging pitcher who had no desire or discipline to have gotten in great shape in the off-season through diet, cardio and strength training.

    I've said this before, but this was on the Sox.  Dudes don't get in better shape after they've signed the last deal of their careers and shouldn't be expected to, as selfish as it is. 

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    Rick Hahn says Chicago White Sox are NOT SELLING...yet | CHGO White Sox Podcast

    in Pale Hose Talk

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    1 hour ago, Johno said:

    Should the question not be, how much more talent can you get if they decide to trade some of their players right now versus waiting for the trade deadline?  With out a doubt, this team will NOT make a run for the playoffs, based on this, start trading now and ask for more talent in return.   

    I'm sure there's a delicate balancing act of waiting just long enough for teams to decide they're buyers and creating a bidding war that needs to be considered.  

    VAUGHN vs ABREU (May update)

    in Pale Hose Talk

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    Going to pat myself on the back here and say that this was one of the easiest calls in recent history.  Paying jose again was always going to be a massive mistake.  My TA decline predictions last off season also coming to fruition.  I see Southsider2K5 has gone into hiding for months, anybody done a wellness check?

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