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I don't have a problem with anyone. I'm just trying to ask questions and understand life better.

ok, this is a start, I suppose. before we automatically assume that homosexuality is or is not a negative gentic, biological, or nurtured state, I wanted to discuss the facts. I would very much disagree with homosexuality doesn't harm anyone. If homosexuality isn't a choice, which we can almost all agree on in the majority of cases, how does one explain the catholic priest scandal? the AIDS epidemic in the 80s? both have significant effects on millions of people. If we remove reproduction from the picture, why aren't brothers and sisters, cousins, etc allowed to marry, date, have sexual relationships? two men conviently cannot have a child on their own, and if a brother had a vasectomy, why then couldn't he marry his sister? I know my thoughts will be mocked, but I don't believe its due to my ignorance, but because it's not politically correct to ask questions about this subject. I'm not personally attacking anyone and I'm not saying I'm right about anything. It should worry everyone single person who believes in education, freedom of expression, etc for my opinions and thoughts to be suppressed in the name of political correctness. hear me out, that's all I ask.

yeah, check out Texsox's "GOPers Don't Read this" thread... it's the artcile. completely sickening.

like I said, I wasn't trying to prove any assertions, therefore I need no thesis. I'm just trying to sort this all out in my head. I thanked Stef for her post on autism and ADD, and of course it got ugly. My question is why it's assumed that homosexuality is a natural occurance. A culture that considers so many genetic inheiratences (spell check please) as negatives, such as obesity, high cholesterol, ADD, why isn't homosexuality in that mix? we try to treat all of those things with medications, yet we chose to accept homosexuality as normative. Once again, i'm asking not for hateful remarks and condescention, but for scientific explanations to why we accept this as ok. I'm not asking for suggestions that society evolves, because gay relationships have been accepted long before the advent of voting and democracy, so why do women have the right to vote and only now people are trying to get the gay marriages legalized? my point being that there seems to be a deeper seated reason that societal evolution has given homosexuality the screw, however, I don't know if anyone outside true christianity could understand with faith. please, let's continue to talk about this in a civilized manner. thanks, PA

well, yes and no. I think we have a responsibility to maintain and protect the environment we live in, but I also recognize the earth as our living ground and source of sustinance. While I understand the perspective that God would honor all life human or non-human, I also think none of us can comprehend the vastness of a infinite being of God. For all I know the earth is just our toy box and it's not a concern for him, or it could be an essential part of our life on earth and he's super-pissed. I guess I'm somewhere in the middle and choose to both accept my dominance over all living species and also protect and preserve them. thoughts?

How the hell do you put that back on me? You unbelievable..................................... Mike, Jason, and other mods, this f***ing bulls*** has got to end. This place is going down hill fast.

you asked for biblical reasoning, I simply offered it. This board is full of condescending assholes and elitists. Why even bother to post anything if you're just hating on everyone? pathetic.

"why it is deemed the only genetic, biological, or sociological abnormality that we don't try to fix as a society." I said that... and Jim and Stef both jumped to the conclusion that I'm only talking about fetal development and nuturing after birth. I asked people nicely not to jump on my back, but of course, the hate is out there. Why can't questions be asked without people getting down on those asking questions? that's pretty sad.

If anyone wonders why this individual is seen as elitist, snobby, and condescending... here's the evidence. Stef, I never once claimed my knowledge on this subject was sealed and completed. Throughout my posts I said I was trying to understand the origins of all of these things, and one of those was things mother's intake...could it be that might actually be something she does unintentionally and unbeknownst to her and her baby??????????????????????????????????????????????? get off it. Don't you think looking down on everyone and mocking them for trying to broaden their scope of understanding the world is ignorant? yeah, thought so....bugger off and don't join this conversation if you can't add anything positive.

she has at MOST 5 on air minutes in that movie.

maybe it's about time for "Good Will Hunting 2: Hunting Season"

My point is that Michael moore intentionally made this movie to 1) make himself richer than George W Bush, and 2) prey on uninformed (and unintelligent) voters who'd rather sit through an hour and a half indoctrination film than spend the hours necessary to choose a candidate wisely. not cool...and so I rant on.

very interesting article on homosexuality and the bible first of all, if pure corruption can exist, then pure obediance and alignment with God can exist. I think doctrinally everything in the bible holds up. People interpret what they want to find in order to justify actions, i.e. annihilation of people, sexual relationships with men but it doesn't mean we can't try! I think it's important to understand the genesis of all of our issues. I will admit to having issues with women of authority over me sometimes, because my mom was overbearing at times. A UCLA study found that 75% of effeminate males who played more with dolls than trucks, turned out to be homosexual. Did some chemical their moms intake affect their fetal development? Did their parents play a role in that? my point once again is that shaping of sexual preference comes from environmental and social factors. Anorexia, depression, ADD, extroverted personalities, etc are both biological and sociological repercussions to stressors in their life. I'm just asking serious questions about the origins of homosexuality and why it is deemed the only genetic, biological, or sociological abnormality that we don't try to fix as a society. I know I'll get all sorts of flack for it, but I'm trying to understand the arguement. I'm not trying to prove anything, but I'm asking for a clarification of how we get to 2004 and gay pride parades, gay marriages, and gay clergy. Some people will look at my beliefs as archaeic, not unlike the same way some people look at mennonites who don't use much of the technology readily available to them because they'd rather sweat it out and let hard work shape their characters versus our society's sloth and irresponsibility. It's still my belief and there's a movement of people trying to hijack it, not out of biblical precedent but via cultural influence and an attack of words like "intolerance" and "ignorance". Yet, those very actions towards my beliefs are "intolerant and ignorant. I just ask for the same respect that you're trying to fight for. I'll admit I've used the words "f** and homo" but never at an individual. I shouldn't use those words at all, but how different are those words to the way many people use the word "Christian." Somewhere along it Christianity is the only way of life that is ok to degrade and Christians are the only people it's ok to discriminate.

c'mon mike, you're better than that. I don't believe in a constitutional amendment against gay marriage but I 100% don't accept any arguement that a practicing homosexual could be in the clergy, leadership, etc.

as if the lack of grooming and immense weight problem didn't help him enough

Thanks Stef, this is some of the stuff I was looking for.

booo all of that.

Genesis 1 ask and you shall receive.

we know.... f**

"You are worth exactly $2,381,788.00" sweet

last night at blockbuster a woman and her husband came up to me looking to buy Fahrenheit 9/11 on DVD. Fortunately, we ran out and they could only rent it. The rage inside of me, which in the real world is more like fear and cowardice because I'm a sissy, came to a point when the woman said this to her husband in response to him asking why they needed to buy it....and I quote.... "because it'll be a good reference for the election" and I said, "why do you think that?" a nd her response? "because the movie tells the truth about Bush" and I asked, "ah, so you're voting for Kerry?" and she said "yes we are" great....... glad to know that there are "well informed" voters out there. :puke :fyou

Yeah, I know you're right, but not remembering a fact like that and being a snobby elitist wench are hand in hand on this one.

yeah, I wanted a better translation of "resist the evil doer" (sounds like something bushy would say) That's from "the message" bible. I liked it's perspective. I think it misses a point, though. Turning the other cheek isn't something that someone can do when in a submissive role. If Rocky Balboa punched me on the right side of my face, if I turned my cheek it's really not saying a whole lot. The perspective I take is that Jesus, being God the son, took his death as the ultimate turning of the cheek. he was struck and struck again, and when he could have called down the wrath of God, he didn't. The point being that turning the other cheek is about submission when truly one could vanquish the guilty party....hence the evil doer part. I don't think I'm in a position to really meet the requirements of this passage, but thanks for bringing it up, it's a great piece of scripture. I love Luke 13, personally.

I'm speaking out on the side of stay at home moms, teachers, and librarians, who THK said they didn't have real jobs... it doesn't apply to me at all, don't quote scripture at me...

yeah, it usually works within 72 hours of the incident... which typically the woman knows about if she using this pill to stop conception. I know a girl who was 17 and walked into planned parenthood and got the morning after pill twice in 6 months, no questions asked...except, you're 18 right? good.