henry wiggins
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If every player who flubbed a bunt got sent to AAA, the Charlotte Knights would have to expand their roster quite a bit.
Ozzie said after the game that he wasn't happy about the popped-up bunts by Iguchi and Anderson, and he said again that the team has to work on the little stuff and pretty much be perfect at it, every day.
But I don't get the sense that stuff like that will cause Ozzie and KW to give up on Anderson, since I think they are looking not only at winning this year but at developing a winning team for next year and the years beyond. Anderson's potential is enormous. He is beginning to realize it, not quickly enough for some fans, but then, some fans this time last year wanted Joe Crede tied to a boat anchor and tossed into Lake Michigan ...
I have faith in KW and Ozzie; they haven't given me any reason to doubt them yet, especially on player development.
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Ha ha -- I work with one of the guys mentioned in that article. I never knew he grew up a Cubs fan! He's a rabid, hard-core Sox fan now. Too funny.
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I watched the last couple of innings of the game. It was so horrible I felt like I should cover my eyes.
Question: if I sit in front of the TV saying "come on, you CAN'T be this bad, get a HIT for chrissake!" -- am I rooting for the Cubs?
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QUOTE(kapkomet @ Jun 26, 2006 -> 12:49 PM)I love all these baseball managers around here. :rolly
"Believe me, the farther you sit from the plate, the smarter you get." -- Ozzie Guillen
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QUOTE(Steff @ Jun 26, 2006 -> 08:30 AM)Someone did it against the Dodgers, IIRC. I faintly remember Tony LaRussa going ape s*** after the game when being interviewed. "He got 8 effing rbi's, what the eff do you think I think about his game today.." (sic)
I hope LaRussa was ordered to sensitivity training for that. You know how easily sportswriters are offended by crude language.
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Anyone who's not following this on the Jay The Joke blog is missing some really good stuff.
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QUOTE(The Critic @ Jun 25, 2006 -> 03:13 PM)As funny as his pants-wetting and crying looks in print, it was 1000 times funnier on the radio this morning.
He was on with some guy subbing for John Kincaid on ESPN Radio and he basically sounded like he was going to burst into tears at any moment.
Then the host took calls and no matter what the caller said, the guy said "You bring up a very good point".
It was excellent comedy for my Sunday morning.
I caught that show but after Mariotti was on; the sub host -- who was he, anyway? -- proceeded to do 4 or 5 FULL minutes calling Jay out; he basically said yeah, Ozzie, you have to quit this, it's embarrassing and out of line -- but JAY, you have to be responsible and not hide from the players and teams you cover, and you have to stop this and let it go now, this thing with Ozzie.
I was in the car and I couldn't believe what I was hearing; the ESPN guy really lit into Jay!
After that, it was the Jimmy Piersall show and of course that was an Ozzie love-fest, and a big-hugs-for-the-Sox show, and Piersall hates Mariotti so that was all good.
I wonder if Mariotti has lost as much credibility as it seems? Because for a "journalist" that's huge.
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QUOTE(Jordan4life_2006 @ Jun 24, 2006 -> 03:52 PM)I get the feeling the Astros don't like the White Sox a whole lot.
Probably because the Sox stole their signs.
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I'll be there too. I'm looking forward to seeing Garland pitch!
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Excellent!
Everything that needed to be said-- that one's bookmarked! And I totally agree that this fact should not be overlooked:
"In an era where many coaches and managers throughout sports like to blame others for their shortcomings and often avoid the tough questions, Ozzie Guillen puts himself out there for the world to see. And guess what, he doesn’t care what you think."
That's huge, to the team. HUGE. Ozzie not just some goofball letting his mouth run away with him; he is far more astute than that. And that is why Paul Konerko said to a reporter, the other day, "Playing for Ozzie has been nothing but good for everybody in this clubhouse, including myself. Playing for Ozzie is a walk in the park."
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QUOTE(tealeafreaderii @ Jun 24, 2006 -> 12:06 AM)I think the trick is... whenever you hear that sound effet punch the guy sitting next to you... if we can get a bunch of fans to do that... i guaruntee the sound effect guy will stop hittinng that button....
people try to avoiid riots.
Yeah, that'll work.
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The ballclub and Ozzie say that he will take the classes.
Ozzie also tells reporters to STFU about it from now on. I love Ozzie.
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QUOTE(Flash Tizzle @ Jun 23, 2006 -> 09:07 AM)Stealing signs from a centerfield camera, if we're to believe the Cardinals, is not really something you want to be associatedc with. If we're stealing signs from catchers while on base, however, that's acceptable.
Yeah, you're right.
But I still maintain that AJ Pierzynski, the most hated player in all of baseball and baseball history, is behind this.
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QUOTE(kapkomet @ Jun 23, 2006 -> 08:24 AM)Yea, change the signs after you get shelled for 11 in one inning, if you think that. Gees.
Yeah, not the sharpest tools in the shed, those Cards! That actually occurred to me during the 20-run game, that the Sox might have got the signs somehow.
Now, sign-swiping, like beanball, is a part of baseball and has been for what, a hundred years? But if the SOX do it, it's dishonest and cheating. Somehow, you just know, Ozzie and/or AJ will be alleged to have been behind it.
Kapkomet's right-- the cure for sign-stealing is to change your signs. And maybe *before* you get hammered for 20-30 runs?!
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Another writer has a problem with Mariotti's writing crap about the Sox while avoiding the clubhouse:
Guillen's tirade clearly unacceptable
06/22/2006 8:03 PM ET
By Mike Bauman
CHICAGO -- In the first place, Ozzie Guillen's use of a three-letter derogatory term describing a homosexual was inexcusable, regardless of the context.
At this late date, reasonable people ought to be in nothing short of unanimous agreement on that point. The Commissioner of baseball is on board. On Thursday, Bud Selig announced punishment for this usage, fining the manager of the Chicago White Sox an undisclosed amount and ordering him to undergo sensitivity training.
"On Tuesday night, Ozzie Guillen used language that is offensive and completely unacceptable," Selig said Thursday. "Baseball is a social institution with responsibility to set appropriate tone and example. Conduct or language that reflects otherwise will not be tolerated. The use of slurs embarrasses the individual, the club and the game."
Guillen, who used the term in a tirade directed at a Chicago columnist, one day later apologized for using the term. Thursday, he said of his conversation with the Commissioner:
"Mr. Selig told me he had to do something about this. It wasn't good for me and baseball to be involved in this."
Guillen at one point suggested to reporters Thursday that he was going to talk less as a result of this episode. Forty-five minutes later, he was still talking to reporters. There is a chance that, aside from dropping the usage that got him in trouble, Guillen is not going to undergo a fundamental change in behavior.
"We're in a country where you have to be careful of what you say," Guillen said. "Besides that, I'm not going to change. I went to the dictionary this morning and learned a couple of different things to say about people."
Guillen reiterated his apology to the gay community, stating that "at least six" of his best friends in Chicago and his best friend in Venezuela were members of that community.
Guillen has said that in Venezuelan culture, the term he used had nothing to do with sexual orientation, but connoted a lack of manliness. That's fine, but after more than two decades in the States, Ozzie has a pretty good idea of what the term means in English, too. The use of the term remains outside the bounds of reasonable public behavior. But it also appears to be true at this point that when Guillen says he has nothing against the gay community, he is being completely sincere.
What follows are not mitigating circumstances, or extenuating circumstances, but they are relevant circumstances. Ozzie Guillen had no right to use the term in question, but he had plenty of reason to be angry with the columnist in question, Jay Mariotti of the Chicago Sun-Times.
Mariotti has criticized Guillen persistently and in highly personal ways. This happens between columnists and managers, but from Guillen's comments the last three days, what really bothers this particular manager is that this columnist never enters the White Sox clubhouse.
The columnist has acknowledged this publicly, stating that he fears for his personal safety in the White Sox clubhouse based on past incidents with Sox players.
The unwritten, but universally understood baseball writing code is that you can write whatever it is you feel you need to write about a manager or a coach or a player, as long as you show up in the clubhouse the next day so that the manager or coach or player can confront you about what you have written. This does not seem to be an unreasonable price to pay for this particular use of the First Amendment.
Most of Guillen's recent remarks regarding the columnist cannot be reproduced in full due to their profanity-laced nature. However, "He's garbage, still garbage, he's going to die as garbage," gives you the general flavor.
But Thursday, Guillen produced his bottom line on the argument with Mariotti: "The only thing I want, the people who own the paper, I want them to make him show up here and work."
You might ask, what effect will this controversy have on the actual White Sox baseball team, the defending World Series champions? The correct answer is none at all. In the two games after this episode began, the Sox scored 33 runs. They did not seem to be particularly demoralized. The players who have been around the block understand that Guillen is a verbal loose cannon, likely to say anything at any time. Other than that, the record clearly states that they not only enjoy playing for him, they also respect him.
There has never been another manager in baseball anything like Ozzie Guillen. This incident aside, he has generally exhibited a basic honesty in his public function as White Sox manager that has been, if sometimes a bit salty for general consumption, commendable.
If he emerges from this incident with a better grasp of what constitutes unacceptable speech, particularly for someone in his highly public position, that would obviously be good. But there is no reason to believe that he will come anywhere close to closing his mouth on a regular basis.
This story was not subject to the approval of Major League Baseball or its clubs.
MLB.com
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QUOTE(JohnStamos @ Jun 22, 2006 -> 11:52 PM)This story is good and all, but what were you expect Tracey to say? If he complains about the situation or says he has no regrets over what happened, do you think he'd ever see the field with the Ozzie Guillen led White Sox? I may be wrong, but I think it's nearly impossible that Tracey isn't even a little bitter over the position he was put in, and now he's saying the right things to prolong his future with this organization. Nevertheless, I'm glad he's moved on and not let the occurence affect him.
He could have phrased a lot of things differently, been way more equivocal. Could have said "well, it was a difficult situation but I think now it's been resolved blah blah blah blah" -- but he said, flat out, several times, "I let my teammates down and it will *never* happen again." No, he wouldn't complain about it, but he did have other options than to be that definite. Again, I give him props for that.
And when asked about going to another club, he could have come back with the mealy-mouth "I just want to play the best baseball I can and if the White Sox organization feels that I would do better elsewhere then I respect that blah blah blah" -- but he didn't.
He may be bitter. That's for him to know, and for him to deal with. Nobody's a happy camper 24/7, even on a championship ballclub. It's how they handle the bitterness that separates the winners from the losers, the men from the boys, the Brian Andersons from the Jay Mariottis, if you will.
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QUOTE(Gregory Pratt @ Jun 22, 2006 -> 09:15 PM)How far did Thome's shot travel?
Farmer said 450 but the official measure I think was 428.
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QUOTE(CardsJimEdmonds15 @ Jun 22, 2006 -> 09:17 PM)Yeah but we have Carpenter, Suppan, and Ponson pitching.. kill me
Anyways this wasnt a great series for us by any means but it didnt surprise me.. well it did a little..
It's fine.. never have disliked the Sox and their fans (not saying that to suck up, it's the truth)..
Perhaps, we shall meet later on and have a better series from our side? I can only hope!
How about after the Sox clinch.
Go get the Tigers-- now the Cards are due for a sweep and that'd be the one to do. Best to you for the rest of the season!
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This team is BETTER THAN LAST YEAR'S!!!!!!!!
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http://jaythejoke.com/blog.html
The piece there about Jay and Cuban ("In Which Jay Tries, Once Again, To Sit On Mark Cuban's Face"), and Cuban's response to the blogger's e-mail, is funny.
And of course, the pieces about Ozzie and Jay are good too.
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If Ozzie has to take sensitivity training classes, then Mariotti should have to take journalism classes.
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Actually, a story in this morning's Sun Times said that representatives of the gay community want an apology from Ozzie, and sensitivity training for him.
They've gotten both. I think that by doing those things, the Sox organization and the Commissioner's office have headed off any further outrage from that quarter.
In other words, I think Mariotti is full of dung. :finger
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Well, in 2005 Jay Mariotti wrote this about the Sox:
Ozzie Ball isn't about an on-field approach as much as the unity he cultivates in the clubhouse. He has their backs, and they have his -- even when he's pulling a stunt.
Guess what-- Jay was RIGHT for one time in his life! Yesterday Paul Konerko talked to Joe Cowley about Ozzie:
June 22, 2006
Konerko has no argument with Ozzie
BY JOE COWLEY Staff Reporter
If there were any thoughts outside the White Sox' clubhouse that manager Ozzie Guillen's latest rant about Sun-Times columnist Jay Mariotti would be a distraction for the players, that was put to rest Wednesday.
"He's going to say whatever he wants,'' first baseman Paul Konerko said. "I'm certainly not going to say anything that's going to make him change the way he is, and I highly doubt anybody is.''
Konerko was asked if it was tough playing for Guillen with all the attention the third-year manager brings to himself.
"Playing for Ozzie has been nothing but good for everybody in this clubhouse, including myself,'' Konerko said. "Playing for Ozzie is a walk in the park.
"He's one of those guys that says what's on his mind, and nowadays, when you've got a million people that are so gray about everything and don't give you a straight answer and say everything that's politically correct, Ozzie's going to stick out like a sore thumb.''
That "sore thumb'' is under even more scrutiny now that he has a World Series title to defend.
"I'll tell you what, we're not going to trade him for anybody else,'' Konerko said. "He's our manager, and there's a lot of people that have been brought in expected to win, that were supposed to be the right guy.
"That's one thing you can't say about Ozzie, that he can't take the heat. He's right in the middle of it all day, and he's got the ring to show you he can do it.''
The team captain, folks. And yet we're told that Ozzie has lost the respect of his players.
I love this team and I love this manager.
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And with Ozzie suspended for one game, who is managing the Sox tonight, have they said yet?
I'm thinking Ozzie Jr. would be a good choice.
Anderson
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Crede definitely had a better minor-league record than Anderson did, but Anderson played college ball, which Crede did not. So there may be an apples/oranges comparison there.
I don't follow college ball, but Anderson seems to have been hot stuff: "was listed by Baseball America as the Top Pro Prospect in Arizona and No. 27 Prospect in the nation ... was also named to the 2003 Baseball America and USA Today Second-Team All-America squads as a junior ... earned All-Pac 10 honors as a junior after posting career highs in every offensive category ... appeared in 17 games as a pitcher, posting a 5.40 ERA (13 ER/21.2 IP) ... attended Canyon Del Oro High School in Tucson, Ariz. ... was named 5A State Player of the Year by the Arizona Baseball Coaches Association in 2000."
Does that compare to Crede's minor-league stats? Probably not. Would Anderson have benefitted by another year at Charlotte? Probably. But Rowand was traded, center field was open, and now BA has to fill the role. If he can't, if he's hitting .170 on October 2, then they can and should jettison him. But he's *not* batting .170 this past month, and since he does seem to be climbing out the hole (that he dug himself into), I am eager to watch his progress.
And he should definitely learn how to bunt, especially since his hitting has been less than studly overall this year.