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QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Apr 19, 2013 -> 06:45 PM) NBC said something about possibly a rapid tip from a local woman. Maybe she went outside right after that press conference when she was told it was ok and ten saw somethig at that point. this is exactly what happened

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Apr 19, 2013 -> 05:25 PM) The gunfight involved several hundred rounds being fired and explosives similar in scale to the ones used on Monday being lobbed at the police according to this briefing. Given that the chase seems to have covered a good fraction of the metro area, it's plausible he got out during the confusion. I'm wondering if he found a way to grab a different car. That'd be the best way out he could get. they were describing them as grenades, so not similar in scale to monday

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Apr 19, 2013 -> 04:03 PM) Yeah the uncle is a real loon. His nephews may have committed a terrible atrocity and the guy is brave enough to go on tv and call them out, try and get them to stop. /rolls eyes Im sure that if your nephews did something like this, youd be the model of normal. lol the uncle appears to have a pre-existing beef with this side of his family.

QUOTE (IlliniKrush @ Apr 19, 2013 -> 03:58 PM) Where does "threatening more harm" come into play? The father isn't going to be thinking rationally in a situation like this.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Apr 19, 2013 -> 02:29 PM) Not really at all, actually. Looks like he got his ass run over. I read elsewhere that his brother actually did run him over after he got out of the car

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Apr 19, 2013 -> 01:33 PM) I don't post on a White Sox message board either I've never even heard of soxtalk.com

QUOTE (iamshack @ Apr 19, 2013 -> 01:31 PM) Come on...the motive is they're losers. The younger kid appears to have been fairly popular. The older had a US girlfriend.

Asked about this curious claim, the University spokesperson’s first response was to literally laugh out loud. (bolding in original)

QUOTE (IlliniKrush @ Apr 19, 2013 -> 01:08 PM) Their aunt is crazy. Basically said she thinks they were set up or the pictures/video was set up. This gets weirder by the hour. I'd imagine there's a strong psychological denial urge at play there. Would you believe it right away if one of your family members was named the suspect?

conservatives are using the identity of the Boston bombers as an excuse to derail immigration reform http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-l...boston-bombing/

QUOTE (Alpha Dog @ Apr 19, 2013 -> 12:14 PM) I guess they could have tried to get teaching jobs at Columbia and blend in with the other bombers.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Apr 19, 2013 -> 12:01 PM) Strangesox, I dont know I cant make bombs. I do own an anarchist cookbook and it does tell you how to make pipe bombs, but once again, this was the FBI/Police who said that these bombs require training and it would not just be some random people. That was their original profile, Im not an expert, Im just asking what changed. And I also clearly stated that the police could be lying and that these could be easy to create. But how would I know? I'm sure if you wanted to you could figure out how to build some bombs pretty easily. Spark + Fuel = Boom.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Apr 19, 2013 -> 11:44 AM) It is a possibility, but it still does not explain where they would have gotten the technical know how to create these explosives. Unless (which is entirely possible) the authorities were lying and creating a bomb like this takes little to no training. The reason why I think there is more, is because when you read about the chase, it sounds like they had multiple explosive devices. If that is true, it means that they did have some sort of contingency plan for when they were going to be caught. Also if they just wanted to kill themselves, why not suicide bomb? I dont know, it just seems like a lot for 2 brothers who seemingly have no military training. Creating rudimentary bombs like this really doesn't require much training. Hell, I think the Anarchist's Cookbook from the 70's had plenty of information in it.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Apr 19, 2013 -> 11:35 AM) Something just doesnt add up. These guys had days to get away from the Boston area, yet they stick around and then do something extremely high profile to basically get caught. Their profile also doesnt fit the early reports about them having to be trained due the fact it had ball bearings, etc. Im wondering if they are the low men on the totem poll and there job was to plant the bombs and then take the fall. Why would anyone need to be "trained" to put ball bearings inside a bomb? It's something that isn't difficult to figure out on your own or could easily be read about on the internets.

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QUOTE (Y2HH @ Apr 19, 2013 -> 10:58 AM) I agree, it says it all as far as I'm concerned. But that goes back to my original point...for all the proof it doesn't work, why does the government appear in almost every regard to believe it does? I dunno, why is Osborne's answer to the UK's sputtering economy "MORE AUSTERITY!"? People in power can wrongly believe things in spite of lots of evidence. Either way, it's not really relevant. It could be 'effective' to shoot a suspect's family members one by one until they confess, but it would still be morally reprehensible (not to mention completely illegal). The case against torture isn't a pragmatic one, it's a philosophical one.

QUOTE (Y2HH @ Apr 19, 2013 -> 10:50 AM) I'm just pointing out that they while they say it doesn't work, the actual actions of the government say otherwise, because they're still doing it. Governments (people, really) never do stupid, ineffective-to-self-damaging things? Huh, I guess I imagined the past ten years in Iraq and Afghanistan. I also haven't dug into the report yet (557 pages, ugh) but I don't see any indication that torture policies survived beyond the Bush administration.

Why couldn't you pass a psych test while (wrongly) believing that torture is morally justified in some circumstances? Hell, are you even superficially knowledgeable about all of the terrible s*** the CIA has been involved with around the world e.g. most of Central and South America since at least the 50's?

QUOTE (Y2HH @ Apr 19, 2013 -> 10:38 AM) I have to ask, if it doesn't work, why do they continue to do it, even if "behind closed doors"? False belief that it does? Sadism? Desire to "punish them"? No reason to believe that people are 100% rational. Nobody is asking them because they're kinda of irrelevant and pointless. I know people who would have no problem with torturing terrorists who have passed security clearance psych evaluations. We know that people were tortured. Period.

The US indisputably engaged in widespread torture after 9/11, according to a new report. Effectiveness shouldn't even be a part of the equation (Is torture morally wrong? Yes. Always.), but even if you insist on including it, it turns out (just as many people have been saying forever!) that it doesn't actually work. I'm sure we'll get around to prosecuting people for these war crimes sooner or later.

listening to WBEZ (which is staying with NPR Morning Edition)

QUOTE (IlliniKrush @ Apr 19, 2013 -> 09:52 AM) Suspect is apparently upset about his brother being killed and is after everybody. May have a laptop putting things on social media. Per CNN. f*** yourself. so it's confirmed that this isn't true

rumors/reports of them throwing explosives out of the window of the car during the chase