StrangeSox

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Jan 17, 2013 -> 09:52 AM) BUT THEY DON'T KNOW ABOUT THOSE PROGRAMS they don't, which makes it hard to apply for them! society doesn't, but it doesn't do a lot to help educate them, either.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 17, 2013 -> 09:43 AM) http://www.recruiter.com/i/study-finds-emp...-fill-key-jobs/ You're not going to learn IT, skilled trades or engineering by working public service menial labor jobs.

QUOTE (ptatc @ Jan 17, 2013 -> 09:42 AM) If they don't show up for work as you stated then it's obvious they do. that original comment was more about the chain, e.g. the person assigned to watch your kid doesn't show up, what do you do? but there's plenty of legitimate reasons someone might not show up e.g. sickness, got some work that day, etc.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 17, 2013 -> 09:20 AM) Not to mention it could also be a good way to get more marketable skills. They can market these skills to all the employers desperate to fill empty positions!

QUOTE (DukeNukeEm @ Jan 17, 2013 -> 09:31 AM) Yea I think bringing in 2 people working to have their basic needs met saves the taxpayer a lot of money compared to teams of 8 city workers each making $65k standing around for 8 hours trying to fix a pothole. So now you've eliminated 8 jobs that earned a living wage. Good job! Now those people get to go on public assistance, too!

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Jan 17, 2013 -> 09:29 AM) The government will lend you any amount of money you need so long as it goes to education. There's no application really beyond name/address. lol

QUOTE (ptatc @ Jan 17, 2013 -> 09:19 AM) There is nothing wrong with having people work for the money. As was stated there are many jobs they can do and will learn as they go. If someone doesn't show up, it's just like a real job, you don't get paid. Learning responsibility will be part of the process as well. This assumes that people on government aid don't know responsibility and need to be taught it via menial labor programs.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Jan 17, 2013 -> 09:13 AM) It's called borrowing. All of us affluent whites know that loophole! Affluent whites who grew up in college-educated homes and had good schools that had experience helping students navigate the maze of financial aid have advantages over people who didn't grow up in those circumstances.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Jan 17, 2013 -> 09:09 AM) I agree with the second part of that statement, not the first. We provide the poor in this country with every opportunity to NOT be poor. It's up to them to utilize the assistance properly. This country literally treated groups of people as livestock for generations and then ran an apartheid state for more than a century after that. These things have lingering, generational effects and there's still systematic governmental racism as recently as the 1980's (here, and this awful follow up) Social mobility in this country is relatively low and shrinking. Jobs that used to lift people out of poverty have largely disappeared over the past several decades.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Jan 17, 2013 -> 09:12 AM) Taxes are going up to solve the poverty problem anyway, so I would much rather it go into a system like this where we can actually see a benefit. Cleaning was just one type of job I threw out as an example. People could fill potholes, work on construction projects as laborers, work in volunteer centers or day care centers etc. It would be a good opportunity for advancement with current city/state employees since they can start managing the new "volunteer" work force, and you could also create an incentive program for the "volunteers" to get full time employment. If we're going to pay these people, they might as well have a job to be paid for. People right now have actual, full-time jobs to fill potholes and work as laborers. Why would you want to replace gainfully employed people with temporary, inexperienced, constant-turnover workforce? Unless you're advocating for a huge new jobs program, which, again, I'm for.

So we're all onboard with tax increases for all of the administrative costs of this program then? Or will this entire program be staffed, managed and executed by people who may only be temporarily unemployed and may have no relevant background or experience for the jobs you'd task them with? what happens if the person babysitting for food stamps doesn't show? how much harder is it going to be to look for full-time employment or to get training/education while you're dealing with this program? What about suburban or rural poverty? edit: I would totally support, in times like these, a voluntary CCC or WPA-like program. I do not support turning a safety net into mandatory labor.

to be totally fair neither party makes poverty a focus of their campaigns. it's all about the "middle class" which seems to include about 90% of Americans. for as awful as he was, at least John Edwards tried to make that a campaign issue in 2008.

The blockade and the quasi-apartheid state is a human rights crime. Don't know why you decided to drag the holocaust into it. The embargo of Cuba is absolutely retarded and should have ended decades ago. Chavez has his problems, but he's actually used the oil wealth of his country to help the impoverished instead of funneling it solely to himself and his friends (see: Nigeria). The US has a long history of f***ing around with democratically elected left governments in Latin America, so that's not exactly a stretch. "Our" canal was in another country. The people of that country wanted their land back. I'm glad we gave it to them.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 16, 2013 -> 08:52 PM) If that's the case and he doesn't want to, then the school should have nothing to do with forcing him into anything. Agreed, but the press Conf was still absurd

QUOTE (G&T @ Jan 16, 2013 -> 08:47 PM) Not really. The normal thing to do is hire a girl or two to be seen with him out together. This concoction requires a fairly twisted person to con a lot of people. Could have spiraled out of control with him already too deep

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Jan 16, 2013 -> 08:09 PM) They get paid already. It's called the house, food, school supplies, baby supplies, healthcare, etc. they pay little to nothing to get. And how would the city/state lose workers? This city has a bazillion areas that need to be cleaned up. The City doesn't have the manpower or money to pay for it. Take a housing project, require they sign up for work in various city/county departments, boom , the city gets cleaned up a little. People start working all day instead of getting in trouble. They learn job skills, perhaps some eventually move onto bigger and better things. there would be management and program costs like transportation. What happens when it's mostly cleaned in areas where poverty is endemic? What job skills do you learn picking up trash? Who is watching the kids at this time? What about the people on food stamps or housing assistance who are working? If these are jobs that previously employed people, those people are going to be displaced. Unless you expand funding for poverty programs, something else has to be cut.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Jan 16, 2013 -> 08:05 PM) No one was the subcultures that we have. Parts of the City of Chicago are third world countries. And that has nothing to do with how much the governemnt or society provides those people. It has a lot to do with how government and society treat those groups and how they've been treated historically. These things don't arise in a vacuum. It's also not a strictly urban or racial problem, either. There's plenty of rural white poverty that isn't "third world."

QUOTE (Swingandalongonetoleft @ Jan 16, 2013 -> 07:58 PM) When did we as a society become TMZ? Who gives a s*** if some kid in college is diddling an imaginary friend? The kid probably has mental/emotional problems. This is a sports message board. Nothing that is posted here has ever mattered.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jan 16, 2013 -> 08:13 PM) Teo said his brother called him from her bedside when she passed. Was that an online bedside? Skype

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jan 16, 2013 -> 07:58 PM) In case there was ever a question that Nd would cover something up for their football players it was just answered. They've covered up far worse than some guy whose girlfriend lives two Towns over you wouldn't know her

I suppose his father could have been in on the cover-up of this epic troll of his son, playing along to cover for this embarrassment.

QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Jan 16, 2013 -> 07:42 PM) Swarbrick just explained that there were times she was supposed to go to Hawaii but something always came up and she never made it there. So his father was lying about that then? His own father trolled him? What a jerk.

QUOTE (SOXOBAMA @ Jan 16, 2013 -> 07:40 PM) Maybe Te'o girlfriend was sitting in Clint Eastwood empty chair Trolololololol

QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Jan 16, 2013 -> 07:40 PM) I'll go higher than him. I'll go straight to Swarbrick and Jenkins because they're sticking their necks out for him and they're the main reason I believe him. Nd's swept worse under the rug

QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Jan 16, 2013 -> 07:30 PM) All I will say is that you are a bunch of sick f***s, and I'm betting that less than half of you will have the balls to admit you were wrong and apologize when Te'o is proven not to be in on the hoax. Lol