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QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 21, 2012 -> 12:52 PM) Again...people in this very thread have explained why it is vitally important to them to have their guns at home unlocked, loaded, and easily accessible. And in this case, it was a 20 year old. If his mother had secured her weapons better, he could have walked into Walmart and bought the same guns, unless he's been committed to a mental institution. If you're referring to me, that's not what I said. I said my guns used to be out, UNLOADED, but with ammo nearby - that was in response to SS' argument that guns AND ammo should be in separate, locked locations which defeats the entire purpose of having a gun for protection.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 21, 2012 -> 12:53 PM) I note how you couldn't come up with a single example of an important restriction remaining. Because there are several obvious ones that apparently don't qualify under your "important" designation - waiting periods, registration requirements, transportation restrictions, etc. You framed the argument as if the NRA is so successful that there aren't ANY restrictions on guns. That's a bunch of bulls***.

Attempted home fix of my PS3 was a big fail. Worked for 10 minutes, then shut off with the same problem. Madden is stuck in there too. Dammit.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Dec 21, 2012 -> 11:39 AM) Remember when all the NRA guys said that Trayvon Martin would still be alive if he had a concealed 9mm? Me neither. He waited for police to arrive and that worked out ok, right?

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Dec 21, 2012 -> 11:33 AM) the NRA is insane edit: ha, most of their references are to 90's-era movies and games. Mortal Kombat! Natural Born Killers! #8 is 100% true though. I still can't believe they interviewed kids HOURS after the shooting.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 21, 2012 -> 09:45 AM) Outside of the 1930 era prohibition on buying fully automatic weapons, seriously, what's left that hasn't been dismantled? Every state now has been forced to allow concealed carry. Military grade assault rifles are readily available for whatever type of massacre you'd like to commit. You have to get a permit in most places to carry a hidden gun on the street or into a business, and for some reason the government doesn't want you bringing guns into their buildings even though every other building has to put up with it. For crying out loud, we have more than a couple states now that allow them in schools and campuses, over the objection of basically everyone there. There hasn't been any new restriction on them since the AWB. The only 2 laws the President signed related to guns in his first term were bills allowing guns into National Parks (nuts) and onto Amtrak Trains (nuts). Aside from me being able to go out and purchase an M-60 and walk into the supreme court chambers with it, what's left? So unless there's a full ban on a type of gun there are no restrictions on guns in this country?

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 21, 2012 -> 09:36 AM) Except for the fact that the small minority is the group making every policy in this country. It'd be like finding some guy who legitimately wants Mexico to reconquer the SouthWest U.S., and having that guy decide immigration policy. Yep, because currently on the books there are no restrictions on guns. None, whatsoever.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Dec 21, 2012 -> 09:33 AM) Liberals are arguing for an open-borders and zero-drug-restrictions policy? Libertarians and leftist anarchists, maybe, but not your run-of-the-mill liberals and Democrats. Sorta like how 90% of republicans are fine with gun restrictions, it's only that small minority that want no restrictions

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Dec 21, 2012 -> 05:41 AM) You might say boehner's "plan b" wasb an abortion

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Dec 20, 2012 -> 10:07 PM) Stricter regulations on gun dealers. They have virtually nothing to lose when they screw up. A slap on the wrist is typical when guns all of a sudden are missing from their inventory. So if you're a victim of a crime you have the burden of showing that you're actually a victim?

QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 20, 2012 -> 04:46 PM) I'm not convinced that Heller prevents meaningful regulation. It doesn't, but I would be shocked if a ban on X type of gun would be constitutional. Limiting magazine sizes maybe. But something like banning handguns or banning assault weapons won't happen given the standard those laws have to abide by.

Actually, wouldn't it make more sense for him to go to a powerhouse basketball program where he can concentrate on what he's going to do for the rest of his life and not have to worry about school? I mean I don't care one way or the other. I think he'll be a "bust" in comparison to all the hype he's gotten. He's not a Lebron, Carmelo, Rose, Davis type player. An excellent college basketball player? Absolutely. Are they assured of getting to the NC game because of him alone? Nope.

I would have preferred BYU. Not in the Big Ten, but not a program like Duke or Kentucky. Oh well, helps Illinois against MSU.

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QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 20, 2012 -> 10:14 AM) So we should tax the hell out of guns and bullets too. That's probably the best and most legal way to do it. Whether or not you can get past the lobbyists though is another question.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Dec 20, 2012 -> 10:04 AM) First, I think I've waffled between a straight-up ban, which would surely be found unconstitutional by the current court, and much stronger restrictions. Making it more difficult means less people will get guns. I see no reason to believe that NFA-style controls on handguns can't be effective. Do we have any proof of this here in the US? When the Brady Bill was passed and there was a waiting period enacted, did that curb the sale of guns? What will registration do? If you find out a guy is buying 15 guns over a two year period, are you going to send FBI agents to see what he's up to? What's the end game there? I could see it maybe helping if a specific dealership has sold a crazy amount of guns that happen to end up with criminals, but i'm not sure what the next step there is - arrest the dealership for selling a gun legally to a person legally able to buy the gun? I just don't see an effective restriction here that's going to stop people that want guns to get them. Guns aren't a product purchased by people who are iffy on whether they want one. If you want one, you want it for a reason (hunting, sport, protection). We put up restrictions on the sale of alcohol and cigarettes, but if you want them, you're still going to get them.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Dec 20, 2012 -> 10:00 AM) A national registry to cut down on straw purchases and overall restricted access to handguns could certainly help to reduce the flow of weapons to the streets. Potentially, and i'd be fine with a registry of some kind.

QUOTE (Reddy @ Dec 20, 2012 -> 09:56 AM) so because YOU think nothing will help but a ban, and that a ban is unconstitutional, we should......... just do nothing? chalk this up to "s*** happens"? then i nominate you to say that to the parents of those kids. So because it's difficult to tell someone something it's automatically wrong?

QUOTE (Reddy @ Dec 20, 2012 -> 09:52 AM) did ANY of us suggest that with guns? i sure didn't. You're talking about banning handguns and assault weapons right? If not, others like SS are. And if we're back to simply "making it more difficult" then as I said on page 2 of this thing that solves nothing. Making it more difficult just means making the process longer. If you want a gun, you'll still get it.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Dec 20, 2012 -> 09:44 AM) I'm sorry, I care about reducing gang violence as well. And absent some blanket ban on a type of gun, like handguns, that's not going to happen. And I think that kind of ban would be unconstitutional. It's not narrowly tailored being that it's an outright ban on a product nor is the least restrictive means of solving a problem that isn't caused SOLELY from the availability of guns.

QUOTE (Reddy @ Dec 20, 2012 -> 09:46 AM) and guess what? we legislated DUI's AND cigarettes! Guess it's time we do it with guns too! Please point me to the legislation on the books that outright bans your ability to have alcohol, cigarettes and a vehicle, no matter the situation.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Dec 20, 2012 -> 09:37 AM) do we know this for sure or is this mainly 'conventional wisdom'? Conventional wisdom I suppose, but I think it's a reasonable assumption that these people are looking for attention and what better way than a mass tragedy. Why would this 20 year old have done what he did if not for attention? He was pissed at his mom, so he killed her. Why go to the school too?

QUOTE (Reddy @ Dec 20, 2012 -> 09:38 AM) 30,000 people. But cut that number in half, at least, for the people who deliberately kill other people because they're gang members and criminals. And also ignore the amount of people that die from other random acts of violence, from DUI's, from cigarettes, from whatever else we as society accept because it's an acceptable loss to allow us to do X.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Dec 20, 2012 -> 09:29 AM) And all of the violence shown on TV in America? I don't see how violent movies or tv shows play into this. If anything, the people that perform these acts are seeking attention, so it's the non-stop coverage of these tragedies that they're going for. We learn what's right or wrong at an early age, violence is no different than cheating or lying. Do we blame movies for Wall Street being a bunch of greedy whores? When certain coaches and administrators at school cheat at sports, do we blame "win at all costs" sports movies? Nope.

QUOTE (Reddy @ Dec 20, 2012 -> 09:11 AM) but just because YOU'RE sane, doesn't mean we shouldn't make laws to help keep guns out of the hands of the insane! But by doing that you're restricting the right of 99.9% of people for the sake of .01%. We don't do this with any other issue where death is an unfortunate result and we know it'll happen. It's all based on people like Balta who fear they'll just be randomly shot by vigilantes in the streets. I'd imagine your odds are better at winning the lottery than being a victim of a stray bullet or intentional gun crime like Newton.