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QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Jul 31, 2014 -> 02:16 PM) Not really. They just got Baltimores #3 prospect for two a two month middle reliever rental.

QUOTE (knightni @ Jul 31, 2014 -> 01:55 PM) John Danks is probably #76 out of 150 right now, out of all MLB SPs. Just average - with a tendency to be very good or very bad. Right there. He is not a complete disaster and has some value and it will cost the Sox to replace him in the off-season. I would rank his production level higher than anyone in the organization behind him. Maybe once Rodon or one of the RHP's develop into at least replacement level players, then you can think about moving Danks to clear out salary. The reality is that he is an average pitcher which does have some level of value.

Red Sox are killing it.

QUOTE (Feeky Magee @ Jul 31, 2014 -> 01:25 PM) Anyone in here beginning to rethink the notions of a) Danks being a mid-level starting pitcher and b) getting salary relief for him would not be a good thing? No.

QUOTE (chisoxfan310 @ Jul 31, 2014 -> 11:18 AM) Its like a few years ago when Ubaldo made a start for Colorado and then got trade during the game. Him starting doesn't mean he can't get traded. He can go to a team that doesn't mind him making his first start in 5 days. If you think hes getting traded, you dont put him out there and risk a freak injury. The Red Sox scratched Lester yesterday for that reason, the White Sox scratched Peavy a year ago for the same reason. If he starts, it means they are not close to a deal and he more than likely won't be dealt at all.

QUOTE (flavum @ Jul 31, 2014 -> 11:13 AM) Score just said Levine saying Danks may go just 4-5 innings, to allow time for a trade. If he steps on the mound, he's not getting traded.

QUOTE (Melissa1334 @ Jul 31, 2014 -> 11:07 AM) Well shouldn't they just give Beckham to whoever wants him? (Assuming no one wants to give anything decent) no point in keeping him. Unlike the other trade candidates, Beckham is blocking 3 other players Except the three players he is blocking aren't really ready, so moving him just accelerates someones timeline and puts them in a situation where they may not thrive. The only reason to do that is if you get something of value back that makes such a proposition worth your while.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jul 31, 2014 -> 10:18 AM) Realistically he can wait another hour or so. Thats probably the best way to do it, announce the scratch near game time to up the pressure on the teams involved so they feel a deal is imminent to get each teams BAFO.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 31, 2014 -> 10:13 AM) Guess he doesn't think much of DeAza defensively. More likely they just like Fuld from when he was there before.

QUOTE (StRoostifer @ Jul 31, 2014 -> 09:38 AM) Still thinking Marlins? Marlins make sense in that they have a surplus of ML ready outfielders. The Sox will probably have to eat half of Danks contract to balance out the value there, but Marisnick would make a lot of sense to patrol the OF next season. Really I think the Marlins are more of a smokescreen to get the teams they are targeting to give up more.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jul 30, 2014 -> 04:45 PM) Reports on twitter though that Lackey will definitely be moved because he asked to be traded. Only making $500,000 next year. I am not sure the Red Sox will get anyone to give up much of significant value given the contract situation. There have been strong rumblings in the Boston media that Lackey will not pitch under his current contract next season, so without a new deal in place, there is a lot of risk in acquiring him, and probably a big off-season headache.

QUOTE (IlliniKrush @ Jul 30, 2014 -> 04:39 PM) What? That's a bad contract for the pitcher he is at this point. Cost-controlled doesn't mean anything when the cost is bad. Why do you think it's been so hard to trade Dunn the past few years? But he's cost-controlled! All things being equal, you're taking Peavy for an expiring contract before you're trading for Danks. If there's so much value to Danks, why are the Sox trying to move him? Why aren't the Yankees giving up the farm for him if it's such a fair trade and he's "cost-controlled?" The Sox are trying to get out from a bad contract, that's all this trade is about. His contract is WAY out of line with his production. A guy that was worth .9 WAR this year is worth 14 mil? Plus for the next two years? No. Take a look at this list. Everyone ahead of him is making 14 mil+? That's the only way that it would be "not really that far out of line with his production." He's 7th from last. http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=...r=&players= When was it suggested that the Yankees should give up the farm? The point is that Danks does have value and the Sox have no need to move him without getting a deal that is in their favor. Tim Lincecum has been worse than Danks and got a $20M AAV contract. AJ Burnett has been similar and got a $16M AAV contact. Edwin Jackson has been worse and got the same money Danks did. That would mean that he is paid at nearly his market value. If the Sox just wanted out from a bad contract he would have been gone already, they want a deal that makes sense for the organization. Your list only contains about half of the AL pitchers, so if you are arguing he is a middle of the road pitcher, I agree. But middle of the road pitchers are getting contracts now that are in line with what Danks is making.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 30, 2014 -> 04:38 PM) Which the White Sox almost never do...unless you count $1 million for Rios. Or Linebrink. But 90% of the time, they would rather save the money and forgo the prospects. To be fair though, the Sox have traditionally pushed the upper limits of the payroll as well. Since spending has been scaled back, it is conceivable that there is money to send along in the right deal.

QUOTE (Jake @ Jul 30, 2014 -> 04:31 PM) There's no way the Indians would have made him a QO anyway. I think they surely would have. Masterson on a one year deal at ~$14M is a decent gamble to return to form, and if he declines you get a shot at a first round pick.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Jul 30, 2014 -> 04:02 PM) But what people don't understand is that in a trade, you're asking a team to give you talent for the surplus value of the contract. John Danks has no surplus value at all at $14m per year. Anyone could just sign a market rate asset in the offseason for that. So if you're considering paying Danks the next couple years at that rate, you'd at best take those years for free, because that's the worst case scenario for what it would cost to acquire someone like him in free agency. You don't give up significant talent just for the right to pay a guy every penny he's worth, unless he's some one-of-a-kind talent that isn't available on the open market. No you are not. You are asking for the value of the player. Any surplus value in the contract drives up the expected value of the player. There are no market rate assets available at the trade deadline, that is why the Sox have leverage now to deal Danks. You do give up value to get a guy that is paid what he is worth, that is the point of making a trade, to plug a piece of value into your team to try and win baseball games. There is also value in having cost certainty and a certain number of holes filled going into free agency. Surplus value is a nice thing to have in a trade, but that is not what teams are trading for, they are trading for baseball players to help them make the playoffs.

QUOTE (IlliniKrush @ Jul 30, 2014 -> 03:53 PM) How easily you take contracts out of play. No, you don't hold out, you get rid of bad paper at this point. Actually, Danks is cost controlled for long term the other two are two month rentals, so that swings more value to Danks. Danks contract is not really that far out of line with his production.

QUOTE (professa @ Jul 30, 2014 -> 03:04 PM) Being shopped by the D-Bags (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/07/diamondbacks-shopping-gerardo-parra.html). I wouldn't be opposed to a Parra/Viciedo platoon. Parra is a career .286 hitter against RHP and last year hit about .300 with a .820 OPS. Plus Plus defense. Could probably switch over to LF once Avi comes back. Tank is best served as a platoon guy until he can show that he can be consistent. 1. Eaton 2. Parra 3. Abreu 4. Dunn 5. Avisail 6. Gillaspie 7. Alexei 8. Beckham 9. Flo His defense is not that good anymore. UZR of 26.6 last season to -1.1 this season. Offensively he has been the LH equivalent of DV. They both put up 97 wRC+ last season, this season Viciedo is at 80 and Parra is at 84.

QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Jul 30, 2014 -> 03:41 PM) fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff. "Dan Hayes of CSN Chicago tweets that Jones, who was on the disabled list recovering from a back injury, tore his ulnar collateral ligament while ramping up his rehab from his previous injury." That one sure flew under the radar.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jul 30, 2014 -> 03:06 PM) Wouldn't we have taken that prospect for danks? Almost definitely. While a bit old for his level, he's hit pretty well.

QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Jul 30, 2014 -> 03:26 PM) I'd prefer to hold onto Alexei until the offseason or next trade deadline. There's no rush to trade him especially with the team possibly closer to contention than thought coming into the year. There is some downside risk there for sure but I think it's better to hold onto him because 2-4 WAR shortstops are pretty hard to find. I think he is traded in the winter where there is more of a market, at this point the need for SS's among contenders is pretty low.

QUOTE (IlliniKrush @ Jul 30, 2014 -> 03:11 PM) It'd be completely idiotic to walk away from a deal over a few million dollars or whatever player is coming back. Just get yourselves out from under this giant contract of a not-so-good pitcher. Hopefully Rick doesn't bluff too long here. Two very similar pitchers just pulled in two of the Giants top 10 prospects and the #5 prospect in a loaded Cardinals system, no reason not to hold out to see if you can get a similar deal.

I can't see the Sox spending money on anyone that will also cost them a draft pick this off-season. The guys that are worth giving up a pick for not be viable candidates for the Sox and the pick is worth more than signing the Ubaldo Jimenez's of the world. I can see the Sox signing Masterson now that draft pick compensation cannot be tied to him and perhaps Edinson Volquez or Kyle Kendrick as a stopgap until Rodon is ready.

QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Jul 30, 2014 -> 01:43 PM) Or they aren't and the Red Sox leaked it to drive up Lackey's value. The Marlins are allegedly still in on Lester as well per the Miami Sun Sentinel. Jayson Stark said the Royals and Dodgers are also in on Lackey. From MLBTR 2:22pm: John Danks is another possibility for the Marlins, according to WEEI’s Rob Bradford (on Twitter). He also hears that Lackey could be in play still. 2:10pm: Clark Spencer of the Miami Herald hears that there’s “zero chance” of a trade that would send Lackey to the Marlins (Twitter link). Lots of posturing right now to drive up prices in the market. Jon Heyman of CBS Sports tweets that a mystery team is becoming more involved. - Mariners?

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jul 30, 2014 -> 01:39 PM) Red Sox and Marlins are discussing a deal right now per Morosi for Lackey. I put it in the actual rumor thread. Or they aren't and the Red Sox leaked it to drive up Lackey's value. The Marlins are allegedly still in on Lester as well per the Miami Sun Sentinel. Jayson Stark said the Royals and Dodgers are also in on Lackey.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jul 30, 2014 -> 01:33 PM) Peter Gammons ‏@pgammo 4m Dodgers have made it clear they're not trading Pederson, Seager or Urias, no longer on Lester, Price or Hamels. Thinking backend SP, bench Danks??? Or Lackey.