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Which would mean that the Kotsay disaster will continue. And we came out of the trading deadline with at best a very marginal upgrade at a position we were deep at, and zero upgrades at the position we've neglected all year.

And that would pretty much clarify what most of us thought deep down but hoped was not true... that this team was perfectly content with Kotsay at DH even in the middle of a playoff run.

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I too wanted Berkman over Dunn.

If most of the media reports are true, it sounds like KW was going all out for Dunn, even over Fielder.

 

I'm going to be extremely pissed if KW got played by the Nats.

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Apparently the Yankees are on the verge of landing Berkman, taking out a rival in the Dunn sweepstakes.

I think I would almost prefer Berkman over Dunn. I think Berkman is the better overall hitter but his main problem has been injuries, and wouldn't cost as much in terms of prospects.

 

However, can't really go wrong with either because they would both provide what we desperately needed.

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well he'd be an upgrade to Kotsay

Lol, it'd be easier to find a list of players who WOULDN'T be an upgrade over Kotsay.

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Serious question...what does Jackson throw that is more dominant than Hudson? Hudson was touching 94-95 in his starts, Jackson goes 96-97 right?

 

Fastball, slider, changeup for each of them? I've already seen Hudson throw a few legit "this is a very good pitch" changeups. Hudson doesn't yet have the slider, can you give other differences?

I can't recall for sure, but isn't Jackson's fastball pretty straight as well?

 

Hudson had some very good movement on his fastball, which made 93 plenty fast.

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What a wonderful deadline this would be is if all we ended up with is Jackson and Hawpe and we gave our top pitching prospect.

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Honestly, the only thing that makes sense about this move is if KW spins Jackson over to the Nats for Dunn. Otherwise, looking at it from every angle, unless Coop can actually fix him, and fix him fast, it is a dumb trade.

 

 

Fixed for you, Great Carnak

 

Fixed it again.

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Honestly, the only thing that makes sense about this move is if KW spins Jackson over to the Nats for Dunn. Otherwise, looking at it from every angle, it is a dumb trade.

[The Wave Sucks]

You're taking my post a little more seriously than I did. Yes, I was momentarily embarrassed but I was not about to get into all the embarrassing elements of Wrigley/Cubdom with her. It was no big deal and I let her comment slide. However, I definitely was pissed when the people in my section all got up to wave when a crucial pitch/hit/run scored right at that moment. Missing one pitch due to the wave is usually not a big deal, but it pissed me off this time. The rest of the stuff I said is somewhat true but also tongue in cheek. There is more to being a sox fan than all the stereotypes I threw out but I really do not care for the wave or people throwing back opposing home runs at the cell. I like how knowledgeable our fan base can be about baseball. I know some drunks/fools call Ranger after the games, but the core group of fans are pretty solid baseball people and it shows when talking to fans sitting around you.

 

Russ, I sit in Row 3 of Section 103.

Im sorry if I came off a little harsh, I just hate it when people act like something this minor is the end of the world. Was it a dumbass time to do the wave? Yes, I noticed it when watching the game on tv. But whatever, it shouldn't have affected Putz and if it did, shame on him.

 

And honestly, who here can say they didn't enjoy the wave as a kid?

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Regarding the bolded part, I already said I agree with most on the trade and Hudson vs. Jackson, but the value of Hudson on this board and what he could have fetched around the league had gotten out of hand.

 

And the part you quoted is far from me saying "well we got nothing good for him so he must suck", what i'm saying is the way he is talked about around here you would think the Nationals would easily give up half a season of Dunn for him.

Okay, fair enough.

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I never once said that, so I'm not sure who you are referring to. But there is a massive disconnect between people on here's value of Hudson, and every major league teams value of Hudson.

You pretty much said it when you said:

 

"this guy was so highly regarded and sought after then why didn't the Nationals jump at a chance to trade Dunn for him?"

 

And yeah, Hudson probably is overvalued on this board. But it still doesn't make the trade make anymore sense. Hudson is a young, cheap pitcher with potential to be at least a 4 or 5 in the big leagues. Jackson is an older, a LOT more expensive pitcher who does have some potential but has shown to be nothing but a 4 or 5 starter after more than a couple years of pitching in the big leagues already.

 

I'd have no problem if we traded Harrell and Holmberg for Jackson... but it was dumb to trade our most valuable young pitching prospect for him.

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Personally, I'm scared to death of KW trades these days. They've been just awful since the end of 2008.

I'll give credit to KW for Peavy because most GM's who think they can compete make that trade, I know I would. And it was looking good in June.

 

Other than that, I think his overall track record with trades are pretty terrible. He has had some very good ones (Thome), but for the most part, I think he's been more miss than hit.

 

Look at the Tony Pena trade. We traded a solid, albeit not special, left handed hitting 1B/DH prospect for basically what is a glorified long man (I've seen enough of Pena to know he won't ever reach his potential, at least not with us). How much better off would we be with D.J. Carrasco in Pena's spot and Allen still in the system?

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But in the grand scheme of things what the f*** does it matter if he's our number 2 prospect? He's the 2nd tallest midget. If this guy was so highly regarded and sought after then why didn't the Nationals jump at a chance to trade Dunn for him?

Well, considering most of the rumors are that the Nats want Beckham from us, it is very likely the Nats undervalue the rest of our prospects.

 

I find it hilarious when people use the "well, that is all we got from them, so obviously he couldn't have been that good" argument.

 

Using this logic means that Dan Haren is a mediocre pitcher, and not a very good one having a down year.

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I don't know who said that, but that is irrelevant.

It's about as irrelevant as when you said you would laugh when Hudson never becomes anything good.

 

That really doesn't matter at all. Hudson can become a stud or he can become Josh Fogg, who the hell knows at this point? But what we do know is that he was our top prospect, or maybe no. 2 behind Viciedo, and it was dumb to trade him for a pitcher who is older, a lot more expensive, and as big of a question mark as Hudson is.

 

It doesn't make any f***ing sense!

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Wharris,

 

Dont you know Brandon Allen was Ruth and Hudson was Cy Young.

 

We gave away everything for nothing!

 

DAMN THEM!

 

(haha)

 

Anyways for all the love Hudson is getting, people seem to forget that Jackson was basically untouchable in the Dodger farm system and was considered one of the top future pitchers in all of baseball not to long ago.

6 years is a long ass time in baseball.

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It will be pretty funny when Hudson never becomes anything close to a 2 starter

As funny as it was when Gio would never be able to make it in the bigs?

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Something else has got to happen before this deadline. Something really huge...mark my words, because the numbers arent matching up and the trade doesnt make sense.

I got a really bad feeling right now we won't see any more moves.

 

Quick question, whose roster spot did Harrell take when he got called up? Or is Edwin not on our 25 yet?

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Yep, Kenny has never given anyone a reason to have faith in him. Good point.

Yeah, even better point by you! 1 world series title in 10 years = lifetime free pass!!!!

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Jordan4life, why are you pissed? It's not like Kenny ever makes any bad trades right?

 

Just be like the other half of this board and have blind faith in KW for no reason!

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Here's how to salvage the day. Trade Jackson and pay some of his salary to the Cubs for Lilly and Lee!

How bout it.

no.

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Somebody needs to pull up some old Javy threads. I can't believe people are supporting this abomination of a trade.

The only way this trade isn't bad is if we can ship Jackson and some no name prospect (or two) for Dunn. Otherwise, this trade is an abomination. The only other way it isn't, at least for this season, is if Coop works some serious magic, really fast.

[Chicago Crime this Summer]

I don't want to go into all of these conspiracy theories, but I'll leave it at this, even though the "numbers" say violence is down, it really isn't. And don't even get me started on the media in Chicago, they don't report s***, and if they do, it is as vague as possible.

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Says who, though? I know the mother was saying that (but the victim's mother always claims that their child was perfect and had nothing to do with gangs). The kid was shot 22 times. I really can't see that being a case of mistaken identity. A drive-by where the person is hit a few times (upwards of 10), yes, but not 22 times.

Who knows why the kid was shot.

 

Maybe someone's gang initiation was to go shoot a random kid on a corner. That s*** goes down all the time.

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That doesnt mean you cant say you dont want those scumbags on your favorite team.

Yeah, Im all for trying to limit the amount of scumbags (word of the day?) on any team, but it's not going to ruin my fandom because the only available option to help us win is a jackass.

 

If Myers went out and won game 7 of the world series, the fact that he is a scumbag would be the last thing on everyone's mind.

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You guys are welcome to feel that way, but I find that a little sad. I don't need angels, but I refuse to root for the success of complete scumbags like that. I just can't do it.

 

AJ is an "asshole" in the sense that he is annoying, plays a little dirty, etc. I can handle that no problem. But that's a long way from beating up your wife in public.

I don't see how you can be a fan of any professional, and a lot of collegiate, sports team then. Look at every team in baseball, I guarantee you find at least 1 scumbag on the 25 and a whole lot more in the minors.