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    2020 Election Thoughts

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    1 minute ago, Balta1701 said:

    I traded the House and Senate in 2010 for ending an economic collapse and signing the Affordable Care Act. I would make that trade again 10 times out of 10 (note - after losing my job this year I temporarily had to move to an Affordable Care Act plan, and would have been uninsurable had the ACA been overturned).

    I got laid off too.  I'm working a contract job using the ACA for my healthcare so I'm extremely grateful.

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    On 12/23/2020 at 5:34 PM, manbearpuig said:

    Do you have a brand recommendation? I'm interested. 

    I have only tried the almond breeze brand.  It was pretty good and didn't give me digestive issues. 😁

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    2020 Election Thoughts

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    39 minutes ago, SoxKing3002 said:

     

    With all do respect do not elevate anyone to cult status. Does Trump have personality flaws, yes. Is he solely responsible for dividing the nation, I think not. Has he done much to unify the nation? That's a resounding no. But based on policy and accomplishments, if you think President elect Biden will be better for this country, you must really not think highly of your country.

    Is it possible they both suck in your eyes or nah?  I don't get why people automatically assume a trump hater is a leftist or something.  Newsflash bro, Biden is a fucking republican if you really look at this record.  I know it's hard to see past the D and R with some folks but you'll be amazed what you'll find when you actually look at one's record.

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    6 minutes ago, Danny Dravot said:

    Probably. I don’t at all buy into the right-wing talk that he is super progressive. I think his cabinet picks so far back me up on that (and I really like Blinken and Flournoy (likely SecDef)). I also think Manchin will protect the center in the Senate. That being said, I still don’t see a reason for a red state to go blue. I think Warnock and Ossoff would be negative influences in Congress as well so I’ll take the two Republicans instead, even if I have disagreements and dislikes with both.

    Ossoff is pretty much a republican.  He just doesn't have the skeletons that Perdue has in his closet.

     

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    2 minutes ago, Danny Dravot said:

    I sympathize with the kids with crappy parents who grew up in crappy environments and never had the chance that I had, and I want to help them (again, to a reasonable extent).

    But if someone grew up in a privileged environment and still ended up chronically unemployed and working poor, then I'm really not that sympathetic. Life takes a little bit of toughness. Sorry.

    I don't even want to help these people man.  Are you kidding me lmaoooo.  I could be wrong in this belief but it seems like you assume all of these people fall into this category and if that was the case, we would agree 1000%.

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    Just now, Danny Dravot said:

    Though I disagree, this is much more reasonable.

    Now, how long should we help such people? Take a kid with poor, drug addled parents. Give the parents some food stamps so they can feed their child and hope they use the stamps wisely and honestly. Provide welfare so that the family can have a roof over its head, but combine that with enough social services (including substance abuse counseling) so that, hopefully, the parents get clean and can obtain steady work and no longer require these services. Boom, success!

    But the sad fact is those parents are never going to become my parents. My parents worked their asses off their entire lives (they came from poor Appalachian families) and ultimately got grad degrees. I was raised in an admittedly privileged environment because of their work. How far are we supposed to work for the kid in the previous paragraph? Where does it end?

    Of course there needs to a point where it's cut off, but the government should do everything in their power to curb what caused the drug addled parents to begin with.  There is always going to be fuck ups, but how many fuck ups were created because people lost hope early on, have kids, and pass that hopelessness to them.  We need to attack the problem at its root and not just assume people are just lazy fuckers who want free stuff.  IMO those types of people can be easily weeded out.  I genuinely believe we can have a country that works for everyone and not just people who got lucky with decent/good parental lottery.  I've shared here many times but I'm a black man that had parents that came from those poor disenfranchised areas.  They fought like hell but I'm unfortunately in rare air.  If my parents didn't do what they did, I would have been absolutely fucked.  I recognize my fortune and want the cycle to end.  America is allegedly the best country on earth yet we can't take care of our most vulnerable?  If we're the best we should be best at everything period.

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    2 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said:

    How many people's bad decisions are the result of their environment though? 

    People become criminals because they feel like they have no other choice to survive.

    Here's the thing you can argue these semantics until you're blue in the face.  The reality is, give everyone an even start.  Wages, healthcare, education.  The rest is up to them.  It's not that radical of an idea either because most developed countries on the planet already do it and guess what, they are absoluting kicking our asses.

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    2020 Election Thoughts

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    9 minutes ago, Danny Dravot said:

    I'm an advocate of a limited welfare state that prevents suffering and unnecessary death while encouraging eventual independence from it. Yet your ideas here are so fanatical that I need to argue entirely against them.

    Serious question- are individual citizens responsible for ANYTHING in your view? Right in this post alone, it's apparently the government's responsibility to provide education, healthy food, housing, drugs, surgery, disease prevention. Anything else you want the government to take care of?

    I believe citizens are responsible for decisions they make but how many people are in the situation they are in because they got dealt a bad hand of cards (aka bad parents, bad environments, poverty, etc...)   I think it's the government's job to make sure the bad decisions of individuals are the culprit of their failings and not because the government had a shitty foundation to begin with for those people.

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    13 hours ago, Danny Dravot said:

    Joe Biden, a moderate, won by six million votes (3%). 72 million people voted for Trump. How many of Joe’s 78 million were also moderates or Never Trump conservatives? The incumbent was historically unpopular and there was a world changing pandemic that was horribly handled by said incumbent. And yet, the Senate, whose map also favored Ds, is very likely to stay in R hands (at best, it’s a tie to be broken by a VP who’s in power because of aforementioned shitty incumbent). That’s all the evidence I need. Have fun waiting anxiously for policies that aren’t coming.

    They won't come when republicans are running things because that's what dems are.  People will get fed up eventually, and I'll sit back and enjoy the show then.

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    1 minute ago, Danny Dravot said:

    With all due respect, I’m done arguing this one. I have a pretty solid basis for half the country NOT wanting those policies, but you are free to disagree.

    You absolutely can speak for yourself regarding this matter, that's your right, prerogative or whatever you want to call it.

    I have yet to see you produce data.  Feel free to produce some.  I have and can produce a lot more if you'd like.  I don't really need to convince you nor do I want to.  These policies are coming whether you like them or not.  Just get yourself mentally prepared.

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    7 minutes ago, Danny Dravot said:

    M4A, GND, free college and debt forgiveness, housing for all, internet for all, and so on.

    Those are not really progressive policies, they are moderate because more than 50% of the country agrees on them.  You could argue defund the police and abolish ice are progressive as they are significantly below 50%.

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    38 minutes ago, Danny Dravot said:

    @The Beast he should deny progressive action. People can argue until they’re blue in the face, but if America wanted progressive policy, Americans would have given Ds the Senate, especially considering how favorable the map was this year. McConnell should, however, work on bipartisan issues. This idea that things can’t happen unless one party has all the branches on lock down is anathema. Balance of power is supposed to encourage compromise, consensus and moderation; it’s not a trick to halt everything until one side develops monolithic power.

    I guess it depends on what you mean by progressive action.  You can use a label for anything that really doesn't mean anything.

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    5 minutes ago, Danny Dravot said:

    That wasn't my goal. @pettie4sox if I insulted you personally at all, I apologize.

    I do not think you insulted my intelligence.  Maybe he is referring to my linear thinking comment but that's not an insult that's describing one's way of thinking about situations.   Kyyle is trying stir things up to close the thread.  Typical buzzkill mod. 😁

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