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QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jul 13, 2017 -> 01:39 PM) LOL, no Rick Hahn. I mean, kudos for trying, but nooooo. Similar to asking Dombrowski for Betts at the deadline last year...just not going to happen haha I'll miss Quintana, but this absolutely was the right move for us to make for the rebuild. The White Sox have played the market perfectly so far, getting great packages for all of their major chips. Tank the rest of 2017, draft well, tank 2018, draft well, 2019 show some progress, 2020 here we come! We will have huge amounts of payroll flexibility moving forward, a core of young cost controlled players, and prospects galore.

QUOTE (SoxAce @ Jul 13, 2017 -> 01:35 PM) Eh.. I consider lotto tickets the variety of lower lewel spects who are younger, maybe struggled or struggling but has potential upside. These guys are more likely filler, although Rose as I've said earlier could be a diamond in the rough. Lotto tickets in the sense that they are not likely to impact the mlb roster, but you never know? Sometimes those throw in guys end up panning out.

QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Jul 13, 2017 -> 01:33 PM) I'd put Kopech in the 18/19 pool. There is zero change we see him in 17, and I'd say its unlikely we see him in 18. How nice is it to see our farm system now???? My guess is the rankings will look like: 1) Moncada 2) Jimenez 3) Kopech 4) Giolito 5) Robert 6) Lopez 7) Collins 8) Cease 9) Hansen 10) Dunning 11) Burger 12) Adams 13) Fulmer 14) Burdi 15) Guerrero 16) Sheets 17) Stephens 18) Basabe 19) Flores 20) Adolfo

QUOTE (kwill @ Jul 13, 2017 -> 01:31 PM) I look at the White Sox Pitching Prospects as 2 waves 2017/2018 1. Lopez 2. Kopech 3. Giolito 4. Guerrero 5. Stephens 2018/2019 1.Dunning 2.Hansen 3.Cease 4.Flores I would expect the White Sox to add one more to this group by the July 31st deadline. Also, Put me in the category that Kahlne gets traded for a good package now. I think with what happend to Jones you realize how quickly value could evaporate. Many of us thought that Jones could have equal value to Robertson. No Adams in that mix? He has really turned the corner this year. I'd rank him above Flores, Stephens, Hansen and Fulmer in terms of remaining a starting pitcher

QUOTE (Dam8610 @ Jul 13, 2017 -> 01:09 PM) Gut reaction is an asset like Q should never be traded to the Cubs, especially without them paying WELL over market value. Not sure how I feel about the return yet, want to do a deeper dig on the prospects before coming to a conclusion there. Dude. We got Eloy Jimenez, a consensus top 10 mlb overall prospect. Huge power potential. Dylan Cease has very good stuff and is only 21 years old. Add him into our mix of exciting young arms. The other two are lotto tickets. Quintana is an excellent pitcher, but we got a massive return...nearly as much as we did for Sale.

QUOTE (SoxFan562004 @ Jul 13, 2017 -> 12:06 PM) Add to that list, not that it's direct from any player, a likely top 5 draft pick next year. Have Bozo the Clown take Q's rotation spot for all I care. I want to finish this tank job off the right way and end up with a top 3 pick.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 13, 2017 -> 11:59 AM) Great post! Sox were the only team out there actively selling off premium pieces when many teams should have been more proactive. Hahn waited, and ended up getting a major return. Sale/Eaton/Quintana netted the Sox: Moncada Kopech Basabe Diaz Giolito Lopez Dunning Jimenez Cease Rose Flete Combine that with signing Luis Robert, and drafting Burger/Sheets WOW

QUOTE (bmags @ Jul 13, 2017 -> 11:55 AM) The Houston #Astros were involved in talks for Quintana, but never came close to offering the package the #Cubs offered to the #Whitesox --Nightengale SO glad to be done pining for the Astros to like what we had. Hope they fail now (even though i like so much of what theyve done) Screw the Astros. I'm thrilled with this return.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jul 13, 2017 -> 11:51 AM) I can't get over one thing, and it's kind of bitter sweet fortune but it is fortune: There are a bunch of teams on the precipice of tear down rebuilds in Blue Jays/Giants/Tigers/Pirates and Royals. Not this year but next 2 years. We obviously had some special, signed pieces BUT We were offloading with the best pieces at a time when we were the ONLY team doing it, and during a time where the top contenders also had the top farms (due to their rebuild). Those contenders have basically exhausted their top guys, all to the white sox. The tigers/etc are going to have to offload with the next group of rising teams which happen to be much more mid-market. They may be more like Pirates, who will be stuck in needing to consistently fill their MLB team with cheap talent, and can't rely on big budgets for their holes. We struck at a really, really good time. Let's hope it panned out! It's not done yet, but I am INCREDIBLY impressed with what Rick Hahn and Co. have been able to accomplish in the past 12 months. Outside of trading Tatis Jr. they have totally revamped our farm system and future outlook. We are arguably the envy of the entire mlb young talent wise, and look to be a major force in a few years. We look like the Cubs and Astros did a few years ago. Finish more trades, tank this season big time. The future is bright.

QUOTE (pablo @ Jul 13, 2017 -> 11:41 AM) We were all drooling over the thought of getting Acuna or Maitan from the Braves only to be shot down by a few Braves posters (thanks for participating!) that it wan't going to happen. Well we might have just done better than either of them. Jimenez is by far the best prospect that was offered to the White Sox. Prospects like him only get traded in major blockbusters. I'm thrilled with this return. It's as much as Sox fans could have possibly hoped for.

QUOTE (BamaDoc @ Jul 13, 2017 -> 11:35 AM) Honest question....I had proposed Happ and Candelario. Which return is better? I liked them as I saw less risk as one MLB other AAA Jimenez has the potential to be an absolute stud. Could be a middle of the order power bat, potential allstar.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 13, 2017 -> 10:48 AM) There goes our chances at the Wild Card WOW WOW WOW WOW Did not think this would happen, but a great trade for the White Sox Jimenez is a blue chip prospect and Cease has plenty of upside. Don't know much about the throw in guys, but we have to view this as the best deal possible. We got 85-90% of what we got for Sale.

QUOTE (oneofthemikes @ Jul 13, 2017 -> 09:41 AM) I can't believe we got sucked in again. This happened every two weeks or so from December to April and we fell for it EVERY SINGLE TIME. I feel like we should really know better by now. If we don't hear anything new today I feel Q will take the mound for his Sunday start.

QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Jul 13, 2017 -> 09:03 AM) Thing is, nice DHs aren't very hard to find, and they aren't that expensive. That is a roster spot you if fill via FA when you're ready, not waste a precious asset like Q on. I'd be fine with Schwarber as a part of a Q deal, but only in a something that also includes Eloy. Which I doubt is going to happen. Exactly. A Q to Cubs deal has low chance of happening, but Schwarber could not headline on his own as a DH only player. I do think Schwarber will bounce back and figure things out eventually though. Sox want the premium position prospects back, and I don't blame them.

QUOTE (shipps @ Jul 13, 2017 -> 08:50 AM) Has it? It seems to be like the guys who came out a couple days ago saying things were getting close are just twiddling their fingers smiling as if something is about to happen at any moment. I dont get any sense that anyone is saying that their initial reports have changed in any way. I feel like things are happening, but the total lack of info leak is killing me Other suitors fanbases do not seem to know much either

http://www.espn.com/blog/keith-law/insider/post?id=7372 Kopech - 7 Moncada - 13 Fernando Tatis Jr - Sickeningly @ 15 Giolito - 17

QUOTE (Wanne @ Jul 13, 2017 -> 08:43 AM) Hear ya. Does Fulmer have much value to add to any of these packages?... Hopefully we get some insight as to what is going on. Smoke has certainly calmed down on the trade front.

QUOTE (OklahomaBrave @ Jul 12, 2017 -> 10:49 PM) I agree with you. This Cubs chatter seems like total BS. I'm not buying into it, despite q being a for for them.

QUOTE (OklahomaBrave @ Jul 12, 2017 -> 09:49 PM) I saw Enscheffs posts, he is a regular at talking chop where I post. And I posted here frequently all offseason, and started reading here daily again about a week or so ago. Side note, I like your board! Homerism is present for all fans of all teams of course, but I feel as though you have a really reasonable well informed fan base. I don't really agree that the Braves follow the surplus value model Enscheff presented, so I don't personally agree with that reasoning, although his logic is sound and well presented. I said back in the offseason I didn't think the Braves would trade Acuna or Maitan. I think that is more true now than it was this offseason. I think they would trade any pitcher, and even though the Whitesox have great young pitchers, they could use a top shelf lefty. Allard is our best pitching prospect, but I think he could be had. I believe he's better, and held in higher regard than Newcomb, even though the later is in our rotation. I do think they would trade Albies. I know Ensheff doesn't like him, but Austin Riley is a legit prospect and could be trade fodder as well. He has real plus power and many scouts are enthused about his improving body and defensive work. He also has a cannon. He's probably in the 120-150 range for many listers. People with sources I've talked to seem to think we'd prefer to trade Allard to Soroka, which I disagree with, but whatever. I'd be surprised if they gave up both Allard AND Albies since they are both too 25ish guys. For those mentioning Pache, if he were the third piece, be psyched. Wait until Longerhans at FG's list is published, he LOVES Pache, and I believe him to be the best public evaluator. I'd hate to lose Pache, but I believe they'd include him. The Braves will trade anyone from depth. We have a ton of pitching and a good amount of MI. Our outfield depth is ok enough we can lose Pache. Great post, welcome. I feel the braves are interested, but remain on the periphery for now. I still like my compromise deal of albies/gohara/pache/lotto for quintana as being fair for each side. Remains to be seen in the next few weeks what happens.

QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Jul 12, 2017 -> 05:11 PM) But should be less of an issues with prearb and arb guys. A guy like Kahnle isn't going to be devalued because of his control, but it also is not a guaranteed contract. Kahnle's value increases as a result of his inexpensive control, so much to the point where I do not think he gets traded. He could be very attractive as a trade chip next deadline if he proves he can be a quality closer

QUOTE (SoCalSox @ Jul 12, 2017 -> 05:21 PM) I have the feeling a lot of you guys are going to be disappointed by any return the Sox get for Q. Some of these packages thrown in here are ridiculously overpriced. Q is good but some need to temper expectations. I'd say a top 25, a top 100 & a top 10-12 organizational talent would be a max out of what the Sox will see for him & that's a very good get. Which is pretty much exactly what my Albies + Gohara + Pache + lotto ticket amounts to

QUOTE (Enscheff @ Jul 12, 2017 -> 05:20 PM) Really? You honestly think Q's value is going to be higher than it was last off season or this trade deadline? If that offer wasn't available then or now, it won't magically be available this winter. His value is only going to go down as the Sox waste his years/postseasons of control on a losing team. Take it from someone who watched the Braves waste tens of millions of dollars of Teheran's value by letting him pitch for a losing team...Hahn should cash him in now. Hahn does not need to deal Q to the Braves, plenty of other interested teams: Yankees, Astros, Rockies, Brewers, Twins, Blue Jays, etc.

QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Jul 12, 2017 -> 05:17 PM) That deal ain't gonna get it done. Sox can do much better than Pache as the best bat, and Sox already have probably the best stable of pitching prospects in baseball. I like the Braves pitching prospects better due to more depth at this point, but Sox have some quality arms

QUOTE (Enscheff @ Jul 12, 2017 -> 05:16 PM) /shrug Then that likely eliminates the Braves. If Coppy includes one of Acuna, Albies or Matain, he made a mistake...to Hahn's benefit. Maybe, but you have to remember that not all prospects will pan out. Eventually you should cash some in for quality mlb players to help build a contender. Adding a controllable Quintana + Braves other young talented guys could make your team interesting in a hurry.

QUOTE (Enscheff @ Jul 12, 2017 -> 05:09 PM) Demeritte and Riley are garbage. Only the most posi-Braves seriously consider them as players who will ever impact the MLB roster. If I had to guess, I would imagine Coppy has offered 2 pitchers not named Wright (and probably not both Allard and Soroka), plus Pache, plus 1-2 other fungible assets. Hahn has that offer in his back pocket, and if the Yanks, Astros, Brewers, Rockies, or maybe even the Cubs, give in and include an elite position prospect, Hahn jumps. Absent those teams flinching, getting one of Allard or Soroka could very well be the biggest piece available to Hahn. If I were a Sox fan, I would hope he doesn't gamble again on keeping Q in hopes of netting a bigger return at a later date. It almost bit him once already, and he is unlikely to luck out again. I get where you are coming from, but I highly doubt the main piece(s) in a Q package would be an arm. Sox need bats and Q is their last blue chip piece to get high end positional prospects.