Southwest Sider
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This is another guy the Sox should have gone balls to the wall to trade for since they didn't get Harper. Everyone remembers the Harper ordeal but not even trying for Mookie was just as big a blunder, IMO.
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And we cant get the #1 overall pick anymore because reasons?
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I didn't know Cash Considerations had a sibling.
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6 hours ago, T R U said:
I think its two things.
1. Hiring Tony LaRussa to manage to club when it was time to take the next step in the rebuild.
2. Missing out on Zach Wheeler and failing to even get serious with Bryce Harper or Manny Machado. Zach Wheeler has been great, Harper has won an MVP and put up 18.7 bWAR over this timreframe and Machado has put up 20.3
TLR was the 3rd nail in the coffin.
Not going balls to the wall for Harper/Wheeler the 2nd.
Ultimately, with hindsight though, the moment in time where it all went to s%*# was when whoever made the decision to deprioritize player development and ALL Latin American spending except for Cuba. Even if it wasn't a conscious decision, nowhere in basically 20 years did someone stand up and say "We suck at this and need to do whatever it takes to get better"... Which seems to be right around after they won the World Series and stopped producing their own Magglios, Carlos Lee's, Credes, Rowands, etc.
Not supplementing this core we had with our own well developed players doomed this "rebuild" and is the primary reason this franchise has not been competitive at all since 2008, with the 2nd factor being never going after premium talent.
It all starts at the top.
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Tuned in for like 1 inning. Highlight for me was listening to Royals announcer s%*# talk Nicky Lopez after he struck out.
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Don't worry guys. Sox just leaked thisbl to get Lorenzen to lower his salary demands. 5d chess yet again.
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3 hours ago, WhiteSox2023 said:
The strategy is so pathetically obvious, I can’t believe people beg these supposed “insiders” for any morsel of news that they more than likely don’t have. They throw out some short vague bullshit that will only ever make them look like they have sources but it never includes enough details that they will ever be truly wrong.
I'm still wondering how all of then literally still have "inside info" even though pretty much the entire front office has been purged. Are they mice who live on the walls of the Sox offices or is it JR or Brooks Boyer who are the leakers.
Thinking now, probably Brooks. He was awfully chummy with fans early in his tenure and probably made a few friends along the way.
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2 minutes ago, DirtySox said:
Lol.
They didn't call, they texted.🤡
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On 1/24/2024 at 1:28 AM, flavum said:
Next year Wagner, Ichiro, and Sabathia are getting in.
CCs stats are marginally better than Buehrles. A few more wins but he pitched on better teams. I fail to see why CC would be a lock and Buehrle is not.
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21 minutes ago, lpneck said:
He had 214 wins and retired at age 36. He would have had to average 13 wins/season until he was 43 (in 2022) to get to 300.
Agreed it still would have been a long shot but he had Jaime Moyer type longevity in my mind and could have pitched into his 40s no sweat.
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1 hour ago, Quin said:
Buehrle lives!
If he'd have kept pitching he'd have had a shot at 300 wins. Would be a lock then.
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I hope this guy thinks he can unlock JF1. I'd rather the Bears be able to get another huge haul for the #1 and (if lucky) still be able to draft MHJ.
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Sounds this like could actually be announced soon. Just listening to radio and supposedly Levine was saying that could be the case.
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1 hour ago, Y2Jimmy0 said:
Disagree. They can sign some cheap pitching and mash their way to the playoffs. The Sox are going nowhere with Sox and really need the return
This is the truth.
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From an AL East perspective, I don't think it makes much sense to dick around with trade offers and wait until the deadline. That's going to be a very competitive division. One of those teams should want Cease for the whole season and not just 2 months.
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20 minutes ago, Snopek said:
I mean it’s all pretty subjective by nature, so isn’t it likely that it’s both? Teams haven’t met the price because they think the price is absurd?
Cant really speak for the Yankees but from the sounds of it the Orioles are reluctant to trade almost any of their top prospects, what's "absurd" to them would not be absurd to the greater MLB community when evaluating a potential deal I'd imagine due to Orioles inability to reconcile losing top prospects.
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1 hour ago, WhiteSox2023 said:
I think Getz is crazy if he’s willing to risk potential injury and/or another down first half of starts for Cease. Getz could get lucky but I don’t think it’s a smart play. The risk outweighs the reward in my opinion.
However the "reward" of trading him now to the best offer may not be that great, wherein you could then get greater reward if the risk doesn't manifest.
Some people are saying Getz may have an astronomical asking price but I would imagine that's further from the truth. We've heard all about how teams don't want to part with x prospect or y prospect, even though those types should absolutely be in the deal and aren't being offered. Unless I'm missing something the reports are no one has met the price, not that the price is absurd.
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15 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:
That’s awful too.
And if Dylan Cease was a free agent Boras would be sitting at 200M+ probably and not budging, even if there wasn't a "bidding war" and notwithstanding his subpar 2023. The price is the price and it should hjurt a little bit.. thats what makes a good deal.
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9 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:
It’s so reasonable that no team is willing to pay it.
What do you think Elias has offered?
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1 minute ago, Sports Guy said:
I’m not forgetting anything. I would trade guys that we are discussing that Elias may not be willing to move. I would trade Cowser or Kjerstad although Westburg has the same value.
But you guys are placing a higher value on Cease than anyone in MLB is, outside of Getz. I’m simply saying, I’m not willing to pay way more than what the market is valuing him at. Your desire to get more for him because “you have to” doesn’t make him a more valuable player.
If Getz is fine with the risk of keeping him for the regular season, so be it. I suspect that’s what happens.
I also suspect Elias will fail on what he needs to accomplish this offseason. As an Os fan, that bothers me but 🤷♂️
So Elias will have failed the mission because he didn't want to meet Getz's ask. It is what it is. If he pays the price no one should ridicule him for bidding against himself. Getz knows what his price is and doesn't really care what "the market" says because the market is probably trying to get Cease on the cheap. His ask doesn't seem unreasonable either. It's just the O's place a ton of value on their prospects, for good reason. This just isn't a match up that will work right now unless Elias gets serious about making a deal. The Sox need a better deal more than they need to deal Cease. Hopefully the O's are in the middle of a race by the TDL and ready to make a deal then because they still need pitching.
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14 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:
I have never once said someone untouchable.
But you say your prospects are untouchable for Cease, which makes no sense. He's one of the best players someone could pick up for their team.
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24 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:
Jones isn’t on the table apparently. Your hopes and dreams that he is doesn’t make it so.
If Getz wants to risk Cease for another several months, have at it. It’s a decision that could pay off but it’s also a huge potential problem but hey, have at it if that’s the risk you want to take. Elias won’t bid against himself because he’s not a moron.
There's a price in place and the price is the price. It's not a matter of bidding against yourself. It's a matter of pay the (what seems like a pretty reasonable) price.
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48 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:
Btw, no one is untouchable and many of these guys would be on the table for some players…but Cease isn’t one of them for many of these guys.
This is a joke. You have a lot of good takes but this is not one of them. You assign way too much value to prospects and completely forget how valuable ANY pitching is, especially pitching with more than 1 year of control that has elite upside.
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I love that Sports Guy is still here trying to convince us that the Sox should lower their demands. If the choice is to accept a package of mid prospects then what is even the point? Mid prospects won't move the needle and we can't develop them anyway. We need a teams 1st or 2nd best to get a deal.
Cease should have a much better defense behind him next year and frankly it's worth the risk to just roll with him and see what he does. If an TJ knocks on the door oh well, life's tough and so is being a Sox fan. If he pitches same as last year than OK we can lower the demands to basically what is being offered right now. If he's lights out than obviously that is good. Service time does not matter because the trade deadline itself can create a ton of extra value and teams will still look at the trade like "I got Cease for my playoff run AND all of next year".
Getz has no reason to lower his demands. And he shouldn't be scared to roll with Dylan because he might get injured. Let the teams who need pitching go ahead and sign subpar free agents and make subpar trades just to come calling again when the TDL hits.
I believe Dylan Cease is an elite pitcher, will be again next year after the anomaly of 2023, and I think Getz believes that too.
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Poles is a pretty funny dude.