Carpe Diem

QUOTE (iamshack @ Oct 23, 2016 -> 10:06 AM) Welp...let's do this, Kenny and Rick...now that no one will be watching...let's start the healing process and start turning this once-great franchise around by rebuilding in relative anonymity. Let's Make the White Sox Great Again! Which of these 3 potential trades makes most sense for both teams? #1 White Sox acquire Lucas Giolito, Victor Robles, Reynaldo Lopez, + Nationals acquire Adam Eaton, Jose Abreu, Nate Jones #2 White Sox acquire Andrew Benintendi, Michael Kopech, Jason Groome, Eduardo Rodriguez Red Sox acquire Jose Quintana, Todd Frazier, David Robertson #3 White Sox acquire Julio Urias, Cody Bellinger, Yadier Alvarez, Austin Barnes, + Dodgers acquire Chris Sale and Melky Cabrera

QUOTE (Carpe Diem @ Oct 20, 2016 -> 03:53 PM) COMMON SENSE DOES! We have TRIED this for long enough. CHRIS SALE CANNOT BEAT THE AL CENTRAL. For 2+ years he has gotten hit pretty hard by EVERY team ESPECIALLY the friggin' Twins. He can net us 3-5 high ceiling prospects WITHOUT QUESTION. Despite the biased/Cubs fanboy media says, the White Sox have a very solid foundation BEFORE you factor in what Sale/Jones/Abreu/Frazier/Melky could bring in. Quintana Rodon Eaton Anderson Collins Fulmer Burdi Hansen + other prospects with real potential such as Adams, Danish, Engel, ext The White Sox could clear payroll WHILE getting a SURPLUS of elite young talent. It is a no brainer. Quintana reminds me of Jon Lester...no reason to think he won't age well. Even after his contract expires he can pitch another 5-6 high quality years.

QUOTE (Dunt @ Oct 20, 2016 -> 03:10 PM) I've been definitely thinking the same. If you look at who made the playoffs this year, who is a shoe in to make it again next year? Red Sox? Probably, deep system and tons of talent under control Indians? They'll be tough with Carrasco, Brantley, Salazar, and Gomes back Rangers? Would be lucky to be a .500 team next year, window is closing Blue Jays? Bautista and Encarnacion are FAs, they'll take a step back Orioles? Their window is almost shut Houston will probably be pretty good next year, Detroit is cutting money, Royals are cutting money and probably trading Davis, Mariners do anything for you? Angels suck... Who says the Sox couldn't be a playoff team with a few smart moves? COMMON SENSE DOES! We have TRIED this for long enough. CHRIS SALE CANNOT BEAT THE AL CENTRAL. For 2+ years he has gotten hit pretty hard by EVERY team ESPECIALLY the friggin' Twins. He can net us 3-5 high ceiling prospects WITHOUT QUESTION. Despite the biased/Cubs fanboy media says, the White Sox have a very solid foundation BEFORE you factor in what Sale/Jones/Abreu/Frazier/Melky could bring in. Quintana Rodon Eaton Anderson Collins Fulmer Burdi Hansen + other prospects with real potential such as Adams, Danish, Engel, ext The White Sox could clear payroll WHILE getting a SURPLUS of elite young talent. It is a no brainer.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 20, 2016 -> 02:55 PM) This isn't true. Abreu can opt into the arbitration system at any point in the next three years. Ah gotcha my apologies

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Oct 20, 2016 -> 02:46 PM) Which basically evened out his horrific start because that's how baseball usually works. We have 3 years worth of data on Jose right now to tell us he's a good but not great hitter who happens to be horrific in the field. Is he an asset? Absolutely. Is he someone that's going to bring you a tremendous haul? Absolutely not. Like I said, I'm open to trading anyone but out of the core guys he's going to bring you the least in return so there's no definitely no need to trade him. My point is that you have to take into account the entire context of where things stand in the MLB. The free agent market is extremely thin and Abreu is signed for 3 more years at a very affordable salary. Say what you want about when you believe his play will start dipping, but he is still only 30 years old and a proven .300 hitter with 25-35 HR power. Those don't just fall off trees. The playoffs could not have gone any better for the White Sox. Red Sox and Rangers pitching tanks and the Nationals offense, once again, lets them down. TIME TO CHASH THESE TRADE CHIPS IN BABYYYYY

There is nothing wrong with "Guaranteed Rate Field" other than the location. The White Sox are blessed to play in a city that features one of the best skylines in the world and one of the biggest lakes in the world. WHY NOT TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT SCENERY?!?! There is absolutely no excuse the White Sox not having a SF Giants like ballpark on the water facing the city. You want to stop being a second class organization? SHOW SOME VISION!

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Oct 20, 2016 -> 02:23 PM) I don't think Jose's value is all that high and he's probably more valuable to the Sox than anyone else. I'm pretty much open to trading anyone but Jose is down on the list of guys it makes sense to deal. He bated .362/.414/.648 in August He bated .319/ .376/.504 in September Very Charlie Tilson-ish LOL

QUOTE (lasttriptotulsa @ Oct 20, 2016 -> 01:49 PM) Abreu would be a fool to opt into arbitration right now. He would barely make more money, if any at all, in 2017 and would risk losing the guaranteed money he has coming in 2018 and 2019. People are getting way too worked up about his beginning of the year slump last season. He was one of the best hitters in the MLB from July 1st on and certainly MUCH better than Ryan Zimmerman. If Nationals don't want to waste the Bryce Harper era you gotta take some chances.

I've seen a lot of discussion about Sale and/or Quintana being dealt as well as the usual suspects like Frazier, Melky, Robertson, Jones, ext but I think the biggest no brainer who should be moved is Jose Abreu. He obviously is a talented hitter and a very good middle of the order bat, but to me I view a potential return of what he would bring as more valuable than him playing out his contract on the South Side AND his value will never be higher. Yes he will be 30 next year, but his contract still runs for another 3 years at a VERY affordable price for any MLB team. I think the team that makes the most sense would be the Nationals. Their window is open for 2 more years until Harper probably leaves and Scherzer ages. Their offense again let them down in the playoffs and they have a major hole at 1B. Why not trade them a package of Abreu and Nate Jones (who also possesses enormous value given his contract) for Giolito and say Victor Robles among others?

QUOTE (Chet Kincaid @ Jul 29, 2016 -> 03:52 PM) If it were up to me, I'd trade: Sale Quintana Shields Abreu Lawrie Frazier Melky Eaton Robertson Jones Fleece other club's farm systems... fire Robin... let the kids play for a few years and be a perennial playoff team when they get better. We can even bring back the old "The Kids Can Play" tagline. Would their be any chance the Dodgers trade Kyle Seager + Julio Urias + others IF we dealt both Sale and Q?

does anyone else here believe that the white sox should PACKAGE sale and Q together and see if a team like the Dodgers would give up seager, urias, de Leon, bellinger, Diaz, exct?