How long does Grilli have to be on the 25 man roster before we don't have to release him to the Marlins?

 

If, for example, he makes the 25-man roster, then gets demoted before his first stop, does that count? I assume at some point he is our property and the Marlins lose all rights?

 

Do we have anyone in another training camp that could be returning?

 

I have never paid much attention to the rule 5 guys.

He has to be on the roster all year.

He has to be on the roster all year.

So if, for example, he has an injury and we want to send him down for rehap, we would lose him? It's either Major League of Marlin's system?

 

I like the rule, it helps those guys who are on the make or break point of their careers.

So if, for example, he has an injury and we want to send him down for rehap, we would lose him? It's either Major League of Marlin's system?

 

I like the rule, it helps those guys who are on the make or break point of their careers.

There's an exemption for a rehab assignment but it's limited. Not sure of the details.

So basically it gives a guy who is stuck in one organization to get unstuck with another. Great thing if you happen to be a shortstop or 3rd baseman in the Yankee farm system

It would have to be true rehab, not the extended kind.

 

The best way for the Sox to keep him if they want to send him down is to try and work out a trade for him.

 

All of this is based on the assumption that he would clear waivers. If another team claims him and keeps him on their 25-man roster, the Marlins don't come into the picture at all.

It would have to be true rehab, not the extended kind. 

 

The best way for the Sox to keep him if they want to send him down is to try and work out a trade for him.

 

All of this is based on the assumption that he would clear waivers.  If another team claims him and keeps him on their 25-man roster, the Marlins don't come into the picture at all.

Now if the Sox work out a trade, they would be able to send him down without waivers right?

Now if the Sox work out a trade, they would be able to send him down without waivers right?

No, he would have to clear waivers before the Marlins even come into the picture. In fact, they could trade him to another team if they wanted to and as long as that team keeps him on their 25-man roster the whole year, the Marlins are SOL. Every MLB team has the opportunity to assume his rights as laid out by the Rule 5 guidelines.

 

To try and send him down, whether they plan to offer him back to the Marlins or try to trade for him, he has to clear waivers first. Then they could work something out.

So he wouldn't necessarily go directly to the Marlins if we drop him, another team could sign him, if they put him on their 25-man? But his only minor league assignment would be with the Marlins.

 

So we cut him, then every other MLB team has a chance, then he goes to the Marlins?

 

And what compensation to we have to offer? And do we have any rule 5ers out there tyhat could be returning?

So we cut him, then every other MLB team has a chance, then he goes to the Marlins?

Yes

 

And what compensation to we have to offer?

Anyone we could agree on with the Marlins. My guess is it would be a AA or AAA pitcher, since we seem to have an abundance. It would likely be a B or C level Minor Leaguer, depending on what potential plans they had/have for Grilli. Could be that they don't have room for him on their 40-man and would rather have a fill-in minor leaguer.

 

And do we have any rule 5ers out there tyhat could be returning?

To my knowledge, no. We didn't have any players drafted in the Major League portion of the Rule 5 draft.

So this could get interesting.

 

OK we want him on the 25 man and cannot agree to a compensation pick, does it go to arbitration?

 

This is fascinating. Thank you for being the resident expert.

I must say, great question by Tex, and great answers by everyone. You know your baseball Rex.

I must say, great question by Tex, and great answers by everyone. You know your baseball Rex.

I figured I was the only one that didn't understand the whole rule 5 thing. I'm thinking it is giving Grilli an extra edge in his fight to be #5. Or maybe it is giving him a disadvantage. Could the Sox already be talking with the Marlins to see what they will lose if they pick him?

Of course the saving grace as far as getting him thru waivers is that any team that would claim him would also have to keep him on the 25 man for the whole yr.

So this could get interesting.

 

OK we want him on the 25 man and cannot agree to a compensation pick, does it go to arbitration?

 

This is fascinating. Thank you for being the resident expert.

First, if we want to keep him on our 25-man roster, we have to do nothing. He's ours to keep.

 

If we want to send him down and want to trade him, then we have to work out a trade or offer him back to the Marlins for $25k. There is no arbitrator, just work out a trade of offer him back. It does give the Marlins a bit of leverage, but like I said, they may not have room for him. I don't know their situation. There are lots of possible scenarios.

 

The most likely being the Sox keep him at the beginning of the season and he is pitcher #12, only getting meaningful innings on occasion. This will make it harder for him to contribute and less likely they will keep him when they trim the staff to 11, but it does allow them to keep him as insurance in case someone gets hurt.

I figured I was the only one that didn't understand the whole rule 5 thing. I'm thinking it is giving Grilli an extra edge in his fight to be #5. Or maybe it is giving him a disadvantage. Could the Sox already be talking with the Marlins to see what they will lose if they pick him?

I understood some of the issue, but I am glad you asked that question. I am curious to how a player becomes eligable for the Rule 5 draft, and anything else that goes along with the Rule 5 draft.

I understood some of the issue, but I am glad you asked that question. I am curious to how a player becomes eligable for the Rule 5 draft, and anything else that goes along with the Rule 5 draft.

Eligibility for the Rule 5 draft is based on years of service (3 or 4 years depending on when you were drafted) and not being protected on the 40-man roster.

I figured I was the only one that didn't understand the whole rule 5 thing. I'm thinking it is giving Grilli an extra edge in his fight to be #5. Or maybe it is giving him a disadvantage. Could the Sox already be talking with the Marlins to see what they will lose if they pick him?

I would hope that KW has been talking to the Marlins ever since they selected him, it's not a good idea to have no flexability in moving your 12th pitcher.

Yes

 

Anyone we could agree on with the Marlins.  My guess is it would be a AA or AAA pitcher, since we seem to have an abundance.  It would likely be a B or C level Minor Leaguer, depending on what potential plans they had/have for Grilli.  Could be that they don't have room for him on their 40-man and would rather have a fill-in minor leaguer.

 

To my knowledge, no.  We didn't have any players drafted in the Major League portion of the Rule 5 draft.

What do you mean by "B or C level Minor Leaguer"? Didn't Class B and C minor leagues end a long time ago? Or is there a different classification beyond AAA, AA, A and Rookie?

What do you mean by "B or C level Minor Leaguer"?  Didn't Class B and C minor leagues end a long time ago?  Or is there a different classification beyond AAA, AA, A and Rookie?

B or C level, meaning not a prime prospect. Second tier might have been a better use of verbage.