October 4, 200223 yr Originally posted by ChisoxfnI wouldn't mind easing him in that way with Ritchie as the #5 and a new guy as our #2. The problem is, I think if thats the case then Biddle is in the pen with Rauch in the minors cause we can't have both of them in the pen and Valentine in there as well. You may not see Valentine start with the club in 2003. Your vision of the team is probably very different than Williams' vision.
October 4, 200223 yr I like Valentine, he's the one rookie I carry in our pen. Then I go with Biddle, Glover, Osuna, Foulke, Marte and a lefty
October 4, 200223 yr Author Originally posted by Mr. Showtime Originally posted by ChisoxfnI wouldn't mind easing him in that way with Ritchie as the #5 and a new guy as our #2. The problem is, I think if thats the case then Biddle is in the pen with Rauch in the minors cause we can't have both of them in the pen and Valentine in there as well. You may not see Valentine start with the club in 2003. Your vision of the team is probably very different than Williams' vision. I agree... I doubt Valentine will be on the Sox next year before September (and even then, I think its iffy).
October 4, 200223 yr Originally posted by ChisoxfnI like Valentine, he's the one rookie I carry in our pen. Then I go with Biddle, Glover, Osuna, Foulke, Marte and a lefty I like him to, but the Sox may not have him with the club in April. You seem to be the under the impression that it's a done deal he's on the club. I think if anyone gets on, who didn't last year, it's Simas.
October 4, 200223 yr Author Originally posted by ChisoxfnI like Valentine, he's the one rookie I carry in our pen. Then I go with Biddle, Glover, Osuna, Foulke, Marte and a lefty I'm thinking the Sox's rotation for next year is.... 1) Buehrle 2) New Guy 3) Garland 4) Ritchie 5) Wright 6) Foulke (closer) 7) Marte 8) Rauch 9) Biddle 10) Osuna 11) Wunsch 12) Glover
October 4, 200223 yr Booo to Simas. I just think Joe has an amazing spring that gets him in. But your probably right. I'm sure we'll have some injuries, hopefully just minor ones that will give him a chance.
October 4, 200223 yr Originally posted by ChisoxfnBooo to Simas. I just think Joe has an amazing spring that gets him in. I disagree.
October 4, 200223 yr I'm thinking the Sox's rotation for next year is.... 1) Buehrle 2) Garland 3) Wright 4) Ritchie 5) Rauch 6) Foulke (half-closer) 7) Marte (half-closer) 8) Glover 9) Biddle 10) Osuna 11) Porzio
October 4, 200223 yr Author What does everyone have against Kelly Wunsch? He did have like the 2nd-lowest ERA on the team.
October 4, 200223 yr I think everything you got, but insert a #2 in and have Rauch in the minors. Then I think we carry an extra reliever some point in the season.
October 4, 200223 yr Originally posted by ChisoxfnI think everything you got, but insert a #2 in and have Rauch in the minors. Then I think we carry an extra reliever some point in the season. Well, when they show me they'll actually go out and bring in someone, I'll add a number 2. I don't trust them.
October 4, 200223 yr Originally posted by doubleM23What does everyone have against Kelly Wunsch? He did have like the 2nd-lowest ERA on the team. its not that i dont like kelly because i do.. he just dont have what he had before the surgery.....he aint been the same since......
October 4, 200223 yr Originally posted by doubleM23What does everyone have against Kelly Wunsch? He did have like the 2nd-lowest ERA on the team. I think they'll carry 11 pitchers, and Porzio is like Manuels' brother or something, and carrying 3 lefties is stupid.
October 4, 200223 yr Originally posted by doubleM23What does everyone have against Kelly Wunsch? He did have like the 2nd-lowest ERA on the team. I just don't think he has it, but I give him just as good of a shot as Porzio when it comes to making the club. I don't like either though. I can't wait till we get Ring up here.
October 4, 200223 yr Author Originally posted by hotsoxchick1 Originally posted by doubleM23What does everyone have against Kelly Wunsch? He did have like the 2nd-lowest ERA on the team. its not that i dont like kelly because i do.. he just dont have what he had before the surgery.....he aint been the same since...... I'll take a 3.41 ERA for a guy less than a year from shoulder surgery.
October 4, 200223 yr You could be right. I don't have anything personal against either, let the best man win.
October 4, 200223 yr well i dont want to risk that .....i would rather have a healthy valentine or almonte here than a torn up kelly low era or not........im sure one of the above mentioned will keep a low era as well.....
October 4, 200223 yr Author Originally posted by hotsoxchick1well i dont want to risk that .....i would rather have a healthy valentine or almonte here than a torn up kelly low era or not........im sure one of the above mentioned will keep a low era as well..... How can you be sure? Dominant minor league closers have a long history of not panning out in the majors.
October 4, 200223 yr Originally posted by doubleM23How can you be sure? Dominant minor league closers have a long history of not panning out in the majors. Jerry Reinsdorf has a history of not paying people like Keith Foulke. It's the Ray Durham situation all over again.
October 4, 200223 yr Originally posted by doubleM23 Originally posted by hotsoxchick1well i dont want to risk that .....i would rather have a healthy valentine or almonte here than a torn up kelly low era or not........im sure one of the above mentioned will keep a low era as well..... How can you be sure? Dominant minor league closers have a long history of not panning out in the majors. What Doublem says is very true. They talk about Valentine being the first in a long to prove that theory wrong.
October 4, 200223 yr Originally posted by ChisoxfnWhat Doublem says is very true. They talk about Valentine being the first in a long to prove that theory wrong. Well, for Valentine to prove it one way or the other choke man has to be sent packing.
October 4, 200223 yr Author Originally posted by Mr. Showtime Originally posted by doubleM23How can you be sure? Dominant minor league closers have a long history of not panning out in the majors. Jerry Reinsdorf has a history of not paying people like Keith Foulke. It's the Ray Durham situation all over again. Oh, I know that. I was responding to her assertation that Valentine or Almonte are shoe-ins to be able to put up numbers like Kelly Wunsch. Right now, after Kelly's 2002 season, I'm very confident with giving him the ball. Valentine and Almonte, on the other hand, may have dominated at the minors, but that is no guarantee that they'll prosper here, especially right away. Remember when James Baldwin set the SAL record for best ERA (I think it was the SAL)? Now he holds the record for worst ERA for a major league pitcher in their first 500 innings, IIRC. The predictions are usually rosier than the truth. I'm not saying that either of the two will be s***, but let's not put all our trust in them before we see them in 1 inning of MLB work.
October 4, 200223 yr Originally posted by doubleM23Oh, I know that. I was responding to her assertation that Valentine or Almonte are shoe-ins to be able to put up numbers like Kelly Wunsch. Right now, after Kelly's 2002 season, I'm very confident with giving him the ball. Valentine and Almonte, on the other hand, may have dominated at the minors, but that is no guarantee that they'll prosper here, especially right away. Well, to compare their numbers to Kelly's, would be unfair considering he's a "specialist", while Almonte or Valentine would be closers or at least pitching an inning, not just one batter.
October 4, 200223 yr I know one thing, neither would see much crunch time action, at least at first. Plus, neither of them should be replacing Wunsch who is a lefty specialist and one of him or Porzio needs to be on this team.
October 4, 200223 yr Originally posted by ChisoxfnI know one thing, neither would see much crunch time action, at least at first. Plus, neither of them should be replacing Wunsch who is a lefty specialist and one of him or Porzio needs to be on this team. Porzio and Ginter need to go away. As does Liefer, but that's another story.
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