Pardon my ignorance.  If the rule isn't 'a tie goes to the runner', what is it?  I thought that was a pretty basic rule.

 

No, that's a pretty basic myth. There is no such thing as a tie. He's either safe or out.

Pardon my ignorance.  If the rule isn't 'a tie goes to the runner', what is it?  I thought that was a pretty basic rule.

 

 

 

I dont believe there is any actual rule that states "Tie goes to runner". At least, as an umpire, i believe we were taught to simply use our own discretion.

Pardon my ignorance.  If the rule isn't 'a tie goes to the runner', what is it?  I thought that was a pretty basic rule.

 

There is no rule that says "tie goes to the runner."

 

Besides that, though, it just sounds lame. It makes me think the people who wrote the rule book sat around and said "what if it's a tie?" and they came up with "well, we'll give it to the runner because we like offense" or something lame.

 

Ball has to beat you to the bag, or you are safe. Period.

 

IMO, if you "tie" the throw, you beat the throw.

the runner was more than halfway to second base, so mathematically he was at second, therefore the throw in the stands allows him to go to third, its that simple

That's not even close to correct.

the runner was more than halfway to second base

Um no

Um no

whatever

That's not even close to correct.

 

Unless by "more than halfway to second" he means, standing on first base...

I watched it three times and didn't see him step off. When a right handed pitcher turns to throw to first on a pickoff throw that is not considered stepping off. Stepping off the rubber and therefore becoming a fielder is interpreted as stepping back off the rubber first. That he did not do.

 

In my mind it had to either be a balk or a single base on an overthrow.

 

---- Chiguy, as I previously mentioned, it doesn't matter what base a runner is headed to. What matters is what base he has earned at the time of the throw (note, not at the time the ball goes into the stands). It doesn't matter whether he is going back to first or one step from 2B, the ruling would be the same. The award is based on the base last reached by the runner when the errant throw leaves the fielder's hand.

 

---- Maggliopipe, what you have there is a common misconception, originating on some LL field somewhere. The rule book says for the runner to be safe, he must meet the throw and for him to be out, the throw must beat the runner.

 

There is a solid explanation for those that insist a tie occurs that involves the speed of light versus the speed of sound, but we'll not get into all of that. lol

 

---- Another common misconception is "the hand is part of the bat". It's not. The hand is part of the body. Look at the end of your arm. If a player gets hit on the hand and is not swinging, he is awarded 1B. If he is swinging and gets hit, then the ball is dead and the pitch is a strike. Either way, getting hit in the hand is no different than getting hit square in the face, other than it hurts differently.

 

Edited June 20, 200520 yr by Rex Hudler