Kalapse Posted September 9, 2005 Share Posted September 9, 2005 QUOTE(Greg The Bull Luzinski @ Sep 9, 2005 -> 11:52 AM) That's one. For every one you name, I can give 20 failures. Very true, I just wanted to throw his name out there. It is entirely possible to break out well into your major league career, especially when you have the kind of talent Crede has. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigredrudy Posted September 9, 2005 Share Posted September 9, 2005 QUOTE(LVSoxFan @ Sep 9, 2005 -> 04:13 PM) Those are good points. I was going to say, what a choice from hell: Crede's gold glove defense but awful hitting. Ozuna seems to hit well, but can be iffy over there (although he seems to have settled down lately). But as you guys said: if we're built around pitching and defense, I guess I go with the guy who's the better defender. And hold on to your hats should Crede find his swing during the final stretch. Nomar looks like a great replacement not as a shortstop but as a third baseman. He is hitting well and probably could play third on a very good team. He has a strong arm and although he does not move as well as he used to, I think he would be a great pickup for the Sox in 2006 provided he is a good clubhouse guy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigredrudy Posted September 9, 2005 Share Posted September 9, 2005 QUOTE(LVSoxFan @ Sep 9, 2005 -> 04:13 PM) Those are good points. I was going to say, what a choice from hell: Crede's gold glove defense but awful hitting. Ozuna seems to hit well, but can be iffy over there (although he seems to have settled down lately). But as you guys said: if we're built around pitching and defense, I guess I go with the guy who's the better defender. And hold on to your hats should Crede find his swing during the final stretch. Nomar looks like a great replacement not as a shortstop but as a third baseman. He is hitting well and probably could play third on a very good team. He has a strong arm and although he does not move as well as he used to, I think he would be a great pickup for the Sox in 2006 provided he is a good clubhouse guy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg The Bull Luzinski Posted September 9, 2005 Share Posted September 9, 2005 QUOTE(Kalapse @ Sep 9, 2005 -> 11:56 AM) Very true, I just wanted to throw his name out there. It is entirely possible to break out well into your major league career, especially when you have the kind of talent Crede has. Possible, but very unlikley. I have to admit that Brian Roberts never crossed my mind. Good one! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yossarian Posted September 9, 2005 Share Posted September 9, 2005 Do you really want to compare Brian Roberts G AB R H 2B 3B HR BI W K SB CS AV OBP SL OPS 2001 BAL 75 273 42 69 12 3 2 17 13 36 12 3 .253 .284 .341 .624 2002 BAL 38 128 18 29 6 0 1 11 15 21 9 2 .227 .308 .297 .605 2003 BAL 112 460 65 124 22 4 5 41 46 58 23 6 .270 .337 .367 .704 2004 BAL 159 641 107 175 50 2 4 53 71 95 29 12 .273 .344 .376 .720 2005 BAL 132 522 83 163 39 6 18 66 61 76 27 9 .312 .385 .513 .898 To Joe Crede? G AB R H 2B 3B HR BI W K SB CS AV OBP SL OPs 2000 CWS 7 14 2 5 1 0 0 3 0 3 0 0 .357 .333 .429 .762 2001 CWS 17 50 1 11 1 1 0 7 3 11 1 0 .220 .273 .280 .553 2002 CWS 53 200 28 57 10 0 12 35 8 40 0 2 .285 .311 .515 .826 2003 CWS 151 536 68 140 31 2 19 75 32 75 1 1 .261 .308 .433 .741 2004 CWS 144 490 67 117 25 0 21 69 34 81 1 2 .239 .299 .418 .717 2005 CWS 113 370 43 86 17 0 16 48 21 57 1 1 .232 .285 .408 .693 Roberts became a regular in 03 and has shown improvement every year. Crede made the club for good in the second half of 02 and has shown mind boggling regression with each passing year. No comparison. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted September 9, 2005 Share Posted September 9, 2005 QUOTE(Yossarian @ Sep 9, 2005 -> 01:00 PM) Do you really want to compare Brian Roberts G AB R H 2B 3B HR BI W K SB CS AV OBP SL OPS 2001 BAL 75 273 42 69 12 3 2 17 13 36 12 3 .253 .284 .341 .624 2002 BAL 38 128 18 29 6 0 1 11 15 21 9 2 .227 .308 .297 .605 2003 BAL 112 460 65 124 22 4 5 41 46 58 23 6 .270 .337 .367 .704 2004 BAL 159 641 107 175 50 2 4 53 71 95 29 12 .273 .344 .376 .720 2005 BAL 132 522 83 163 39 6 18 66 61 76 27 9 .312 .385 .513 .898 To Joe Crede? G AB R H 2B 3B HR BI W K SB CS AV OBP SL OPs 2000 CWS 7 14 2 5 1 0 0 3 0 3 0 0 .357 .333 .429 .762 2001 CWS 17 50 1 11 1 1 0 7 3 11 1 0 .220 .273 .280 .553 2002 CWS 53 200 28 57 10 0 12 35 8 40 0 2 .285 .311 .515 .826 2003 CWS 151 536 68 140 31 2 19 75 32 75 1 1 .261 .308 .433 .741 2004 CWS 144 490 67 117 25 0 21 69 34 81 1 2 .239 .299 .418 .717 2005 CWS 113 370 43 86 17 0 16 48 21 57 1 1 .232 .285 .408 .693 Roberts became a regular in 03 and has shown improvement every year. Crede made the club for good in the second half of 02 and has shown mind boggling regression with each passing year. No comparison. Noone compared Crede to Roberts. I merely said a player can bust out in his 5th pro season and Roberts is evidence of that. I don't know where you got the idea that anyone was comparing the two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yossarian Posted September 9, 2005 Share Posted September 9, 2005 My apologies then. I just don't see any relationship or parallel between the two. I hope Joe has his breakout year with the Sox, but at this point it just doesn't look like he can hit major league pitching. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VAfan Posted September 9, 2005 Share Posted September 9, 2005 Crede should start every postseason game. The rest might also help his bat. This year he's been either very good offensively, or just awful. Look at these splits by month. April 79 12 24 6 0 2 9 5 3 9 0 0 .304 .368 .456 .824 May 84 8 13 2 0 3 9 5 2 17 0 1 .155 .211 .286 .496 June 80 11 22 3 0 6 17 5 2 10 1 0 .275 .333 .538 .871 July 69 10 21 5 0 4 12 4 0 11 0 0 .304 .342 .551 .893 August 58 2 6 1 0 1 1 2 1 10 0 0 .103 .148 .172 .320 Total 370 43 86 17 0 16 48 21 8 57 1 1 .232 .285 .408 .693 We would all love April, June, and July's offense. .300+ hitter, .345 OBP, .530 slugging, .875 OPS. We just have to hope October is like one of those months. We know we are going to get the solid D. Ozuna can't match any of those numbers, not even against lefties. And his numbers against righties are like one of Crede's bad months. vs. Left 83 10 27 4 0 0 3 2 3 9 8 5 .325 .364 .373 .737 vs. Right 91 14 21 2 2 0 7 4 1 12 5 1 .231 .271 .297 .568 Forget about Blum. He doesn't have the D or the O to compete. When he's played 3B a lot in the past, he's made a lot of errors. Lastly, Crede is the only one of these guys who can hit the long ball, which can win a postseason game with one swing. Sure, I might agree with those who want someone better next year, but for right now, Joe Crede is far and away the best 3B option we've got. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yossarian Posted September 9, 2005 Share Posted September 9, 2005 Let me say that I agree Joe is the best option we have at third right now. That's not saying much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted September 9, 2005 Share Posted September 9, 2005 I would go with Crede and I can't believe anyone would suggest Blum or Ozuna as appropriate full-time replacements. Sorry! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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