You can hate the Packers as a franchise, but this just has to sadden you. My thoughts and prayers will go out to Ray Sherman's family.

 

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This is really sad. My thoughts and prayers go out to him and his family. Its so sad that anyone could be so upset that he would kill himself.

 

At homecoming this year, i danced with this one girl and got her number. Never talked to her again. Last I heard, she was sent to military school, from which she ran away and then killed herself (Im not totally certain she killed herself, I heard from a friend that she did, but I am certain she ran away). Then the brother of a vague friend of mine also killed himself. Suicide is just so sad...

Suicide is not sad.. it's selfish.

 

I grieve for the families these inconsiderate people left behind. Them and them alone are the people who deserve sympathy.

Suicide is not sad.. it's selfish.

 

Yeah, especially teenage one...

Suicide is not sad.. it's selfish.

 

I grieve for the families these inconsiderate people left behind. Them and them alone are the people who deserve sympathy.

What the hell! Ive looked at three straight threads and in all three of them someones been a disrespectful pig! I cant even say anything anymore. I thought it was incredible what apu said on his Lynch thread, but this is truely insane. Suicide is sad, if its not your pathetic. Im sorry but some of the things said here today have really pissed me off...

What the hell! Ive looked at three straight threads and in all three of them someones been a disrespectful pig! I cant even say anything anymore. I thought it was incredible what apu said on his Lynch thread, but this is truely insane. Suicide is sad, if its not your pathetic. Im sorry but some of the things said here today have really pissed me off...

Oh me oh my, I didn't read the memo and forgot this is "Don't Mess with Roman's Inflated Ego" day.

 

Suicide is selfish. It's a permanent solution to a temporary problem.

 

And calling people "disrespectful pigs", Roman....glass houses, remember?

Roman, people can be sad that somebody died but also be outraged that the person was selfish enough to commit suicide. Things are often more complex than the black and white you wish to see.

Suicide is not selfish.

 

It is the most cry of pain that a person can feel.

 

I am not going to belabor the point but for those who really want to know somethingabout suidide, read The Savage God by A. Alvarez.

 

 

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When a soldier goes into battle, and is warned by his commanders that he might not be coming back, and he goes and dies anyways, is that selfish? OK, so the soldier died a noble death and someone who kills himself didnt, but both are sad. Suicide, just like going into battle, is your choice. If you choose to do it, its up to you. I would try my hardest to stop someone I knew from killing himself, but it sometimes just doesnt work out. And if youre a soldier, its also a choice. If you run away like Bush did, youll be remembered as a coward, but its his choice, not mine...

Suicide is not selfish.

 

It is the most cry of pain that a person can feel.

 

I am not going to belabor the point but for those who really want to know somethingabout suidide, read The Savage God by A. Alvarez.

I know a thing or two about it having almost been to that point myself.

Suicide is not selfish.

 

It is the most cry of pain that a person can feel.

 

I am not going to belabor the point but for those who really want to know somethingabout suidide, read The Savage God by A. Alvarez.

I know a thing or two about it having almost been to that point myself.

check out the book - it is not a self help book or any s*** like that, it really explores the subject from non judgmental understanding and anyone who has ever been there will get it -

 

and maybe no one who hasn't been there will understand

You know, suicides, of any kind, really hit close to home for me. At one time, Pierre was known as the "suicide capital of the US." There were just a huge number of suicides in a matter of a decade.

 

The last suicide that occurred in Pierre was the year I was in 6th grade I believe....and the one before that was a person that I knew, and my mom and his mom were and still are very good friends....and have grown even closer since then.

 

Suicide is a very touchy subject, IMO. That's why I'll never really try to get into it, like I just did here.

I know it will sound like I am pushing one book, but as it has touched your life, do check out The Savage God. It also is a very readable tour de force on western culture, expecially things that will surprise - anyone with college in their future would absorb a lot that will pay off later on.

 

I won't say more. When suicide has touched close to home, it has its own meaning. A few weeks ago my sister's mother in law killed herself - and as I think about what my niece and nephew (ages 9 and 3) are thinking on losing their grandmother this way is beyond comprehension, but so was her pain, to leave them. I hope they all understand.

know a thing or two about it having almost been to that point myself.

 

I truly believe that any decent, consciousness-endowed human being has entertained those kind of thoughts at least once in their lifetime.

 

Disclaimer: no offense to the legions of assorted soul-less bastards and narcissistic f***tards who trudge through life in blissful ignorance, free of introspection.

I know it will sound like I am pushing one book, but as it has touched your life, do check out The Savage God.

 

I heard Alvarez personally knew Sylvia Plath. Any word on whether she indeed suffered through a particularly nasty, almost unbearable case of PMS, a condition that was the big "inspiration" behind her brand of peotry/world outlook and which eventually drove her into the grave?

I heard Alvarez personally knew Sylvia Plath.  Any word on whether she indeed suffered through a particularly nasty, almost unbearable case of PMS, a condition that was the big "inspiration" behind her brand of peotry/world outlook and which eventually drove her into the grave?

Alvarez knew Plath (Alvarez was a London poety critic) and the significant opening of the book is devoted to that. The book is undoubtedly inspired by Plath. I would say that Plath's suicide had nothing to do with PMS and I almost think anyone who suggested that is making an anti-feminist statement. Almost sounds Ted Hughes making that to up to deflect his own responsibility there.

 

 

 

 

 

Dying

Is an art, like everything else.

I do it exceptionally well.

 

I do it so it feels like hell.

I do it so it feels real.

I guess you could say I've a call.

 

Sylvia Plath

I have 2 suicides in my family and 3 close highschool friends.

 

Not ONE of them had a problem that couldn't be solved.

 

And yes.. I've had my share of hard times. And one of the first things I thought was "OMG... someone will have to find me. Clean up the mess. How will that make THEM feel?"

 

Suicide IS selfish. It's a horrible cry for help and if people would only TELL others what's going on the odds are 99.9% that they DON'T do it.

 

As for you Roman, comparing a soldier going off into war to a person committing suicide is completely stupid and makes no sense. I'm not surprised you brought it up.

Yeah, especially teenage one...

Great point. A teenager.. with their entire life ahead of them. Likely with barely any cares or responsibilities at this point in his life chooses to kill themself rather than just open their mouth and get some help. They'd rather enflict the pain on their family.

 

I've talked down a suicidal person. And before they opened their eyes the thing they said most often was "This will show them. They won't have to worry about me anymore. They'll be sorry". Killing yourself to get back at someone? If that isn't selfish I don't know what is.

Suicide is not selfish.

 

It is the most cry of pain that a person can feel.

 

I am not going to belabor the point but for those who really want to know somethingabout suidide, read The Savage God by A. Alvarez.

 

 

book link

Sorry, but this is complete BS.

 

Suicide is a cry of pain..? Suicide is cowardly behavior. Suicide is not being mature enough, or having enough love and consideration for your loved ones, to go to them and make them hear that "cry of pain".

 

I mean think about it.. if someone is "crying in pain" don't ya think they want to be heard? When they kill themselves they screw everyone that cares for them.

 

Selfish.

 

If you could feel for ONE second the GUILT from not being able to help somone... someone who took that opportunity away when they killed themselves!

 

Selfish.

Two close personal friends (brothers) committed suicide. One hung himself, the other I consider a form of suicide, he literally drank himself to death. Both of them shocked me. Since they were brothers perhaps there is a genetic link. I think in some cases suicide is not just a cry of pain but the ultimate act of anger or frustration. A lot of teenagers act impulsively. Perhaps this was the case here. If he could have weathered whatever personal crises he was living this young man might have gotten past this depression. Whatever the reason this is terrible.

Whatever the reason this is terrible.

Terrible indeed. I hope I don't come off sounding like an uncaring person. I have so mych sympathy for the families. I have seen first hand how the families must pick up the pieces. It's beyond explainable. I wish them the very best and hope they are able to lean on eachother in this trying time. Suicide tears a lot of families apart. The unanswered questions, the guilt. It's horrible.

Yeah, especially teenage one...

Great point. A teenager.. with their entire life ahead of them. Likely with barely any cares or responsibilities at this point in his life chooses to kill themself rather than just open their mouth and get some help. They'd rather enflict the pain on their family.

 

I've talked down a suicidal person. And before they opened their eyes the thing they said most often was "This will show them. They won't have to worry about me anymore. They'll be sorry". Killing yourself to get back at someone? If that isn't selfish I don't know what is.

I was being extremely sarcastic.

 

Not all suicides are created equal...Yukio Mishima death was culmination of his art and I am happy for him....A untreatable cancer patient taking his own life to avoid pain and speed up the process for his family? I applaud the courage...Ex-Enron CFO blowing his brains ou on account of his massive crime? I wish I was there to pull the trigger, that cocksucker.....An innocent 14yo girl jumping to her death? There is nothing sadder in this world than when a biological entity who had no bearing on its creation and has everything to live for is suffering so much that he/she would rather "cancel" their own existence than face another day....whether it be because of impulsivity, anghst, perceptive absoluteness or a serious reason like molestation, incest...profoundly sad indeed.

 

You can't color all cases based on your personal experience, nor can you gauge the degree of validity of their perception using simple logic--if they don't think they are worth saving/have anything to live for, there is short of nothing you can do about it. Perception is reality.

 

For the record, I've never had anyone commit suicide either among my friends or immediate family, which is not to say they didn't consider it or didn't the have a reason(s) to do it. They are old school, having come from a different culture I guess. They cope....But I tell you, if my family were to parrish in a plane crash or something like that, and I lost the reason to live, I would be searching for the highest cliff the next day, you can bank on it.

Yeah, especially teenage one...

Great point. A teenager.. with their entire life ahead of them. Likely with barely any cares or responsibilities at this point in his life chooses to kill themself rather than just open their mouth and get some help. They'd rather enflict the pain on their family.

 

I've talked down a suicidal person. And before they opened their eyes the thing they said most often was "This will show them. They won't have to worry about me anymore. They'll be sorry". Killing yourself to get back at someone? If that isn't selfish I don't know what is.

I was being extremely sarcastic.

 

Not all suicides are created equal...Yukio Mishima death was culmination of his art and I am happy for him....A untreatable cancer patient taking his own life to avoid pain and speed up the process for his family? I applaud the courage...Ex-Enron CFO blowing his brains ou on account of his massive crime? I wish I was there to pull the trigger, that wiesel......A 14yo girl jumping to her death? There is nothing sadder in this world than when a biological entity who had no bearing on its creation and has everything to live for is suffering so much that he/she would rather "cancel" their own existence than face another day....whether it be because of impulsivity, anghst, perceptive absoluteness or a serious reason like molestation, incest...profoundly sad indeed.

 

You can't color all cases based on your personal experience, nor can you gauge the degree of validity of their perception using simple logic--if they don't think they are worth saving/have anything to live for, there is short of nothing you can do about it. Perception is reality.

 

For the record, I've never had anyone commit suicide either among my friends or immediate family, which is not to say they didn't consider it or didn't the have a reason(s) to do it. They are old school, having come from a different culture I guess. They cope....But I tell you, if my family were to parrish in a plane crash or something like that, and I lost the reason to live, I would be searching for the highest cliff the next day, you can bank on it.

Wow what a guy.

I truly believe that any decent, consciousness-endowed human being has entertained those kind of thoughts at least once in their lifetime. 

 

Disclaimer:  no offense to the legions of assorted soul-less bastards and narcissistic f***tards who trudge through life in blissful ignorance, free of introspection.

Brando i agree. I think every human adult has at least considered it once.......

Ive never considered it. Life is too precious and theres only one, so I guess we should all make the most of it. Even if I did consider it, which I never will, Ill never do it. If my family died, I would be saddened, deeply saddened, but I would never kill myself.

 

And steff, maybe my analogy was a little off but still, suicide is sad. Its not selfish or ignorant, its just sad...