December 21, 200520 yr QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Dec 21, 2005 -> 03:50 PM) Let's compare Mr. Williams to Mr. Brown shall we? Both plays Strong Safety. Both are excellent against the run. Both are hard hitters. One can actually cover while one gets burned. Which is the better of the 2? The one who does not get burned. Therefore, Mr. Brown > Mr. Williams. That was my lesson. Is Brown as good as Williams against the run? not quite. He is a small notch below. Brown is maybe average to slightly above average in coverage. it evens out. consider then that run is more important, and you have your winner. Mr. Williams.
December 21, 200520 yr If you've wached a Ravens game this season, you'd know he was a Free Safety.....often abbreviated FS.
December 21, 200520 yr QUOTE(WHarris1 @ Dec 21, 2005 -> 03:57 PM) Yeah that can't go both ways or anything... So it ends up being you overrating him, while you complain about other underrating him. Funny. Look you are a Cowboy fan...everytime they are discussed you come in and back them, if Roy Williams was on the Bears you would bash him. ok, then every single argument can come down to people's opinion. why even bother then? coaches, players, and fans each count for 1/3 of the voting. for williams to make it, shows that players and coaches also voted for him. are you better at evaluating players than other players and coaches are? no, you are not. haha and if brown was on the cowboys, you'd bash him. dude come up with an argument rather than just calling homerism.
December 21, 200520 yr Wow, with alternates and what not, we could send 7 of our defensive starters to the Pro Bowl this year. Tommie Harris Brian Urlacher Lance Briggs Adawale Ogunleye Alex Brown Mike Brown Nathan Vasher I think that Alex Brown goes before Adawale Ogunleye. Adawale tends to piss me off at times with his poor tackling technique. They teach you at a very early age to TACKLE AT THE WAIST AND WRAP YOUR ARMS AROUND THE MOTHERf***ER. How many countless times has he whiffed when an RB came his way? He goes high every time. If he could do something about that, he'd be a devastating all-around DE. As it is now, he's about as one-dimensional as they come, albeit extremely valuable in that one area. Not that Alex Brown is absolutely perfect when it coems to tackling technique, but Wally makes him look like Strahan.
December 21, 200520 yr QUOTE(Tmar28 @ Dec 21, 2005 -> 05:59 PM) Is Brown as good as Williams against the run? not quite. He is a small notch below. Brown is maybe average to slightly above average in coverage. it evens out. consider then that run is more important, and you have your winner. Mr. Williams. Don't they have replays of Cowboys games or somethign of that sort you can watch? You are slightly overrating him.
December 21, 200520 yr QUOTE(Tmar28 @ Dec 21, 2005 -> 04:03 PM) haha and if brown was on the cowboys, you'd bash him. dude come up with an argument rather than just calling homerism. I did and all you said was that Roy Williams is average in coverage, which isn't true.
December 21, 200520 yr ok so there are split opinions on what reed plays. doesn't even matter though, since i stated he was good against pass and run. that means he can play either FS or SS. haha way to try to find some way to make me seem wrong.
December 21, 200520 yr QUOTE(hammerhead johnson @ Dec 21, 2005 -> 04:03 PM) Wow, with alternates and what not, we could send 7 of our defensive starters to the Pro Bowl this year. Tommie Harris Brian Urlacher Lance Briggs Adawale Ogunleye Alex Brown Mike Brown Nathan Vasher I think that Alex Brown goes before Adawale Ogunleye. Adawale tends to piss me off at times with his poor tackling technique. They teach you at a very early age to TACKLE AT THE WAIST AND WRAP YOUR ARMS AROUND THE MOTHERf***ER. How many countless times has he whiffed when an RB came his way? He goes high every time. If he could do something about that, he'd be a devastating all-around DE. As it is now, he's about as one-dimensional as they come, albeit extremely valuable in that one area. Not that Alex Brown is absolutely perfect when it coems to tackling technique, but Wally makes him look like Strahan. I figured at least one of Alex and Wale would get in, instead...neither. Hopefully 1 or both gets a chance to go to Hawaii.
December 21, 200520 yr QUOTE(WHarris1 @ Dec 21, 2005 -> 04:05 PM) I did and all you said was that Roy Williams is average in coverage, which isn't true. i said below average.
December 21, 200520 yr QUOTE(Tmar28 @ Dec 21, 2005 -> 04:06 PM) haha way to try to find some way to make me seem wrong. That wasn't what I was doing, actually I was just trying to be accurate.
December 21, 200520 yr QUOTE(Tmar28 @ Dec 21, 2005 -> 04:07 PM) i said below average. So a below average cover man can be a GREAT SS?
December 21, 200520 yr QUOTE(Tmar28 @ Dec 21, 2005 -> 06:06 PM) ok so there are split opinions on what reed plays. doesn't even matter though, since i stated he was good against pass and run. that means he can play either FS or SS. haha way to try to find some way to make me seem wrong. :headshake
December 21, 200520 yr QUOTE(WHarris1 @ Dec 21, 2005 -> 04:07 PM) So a below average cover man can be a GREAT SS? if he plays the run great, yes. that is what a typical SS is. mediocre coverage, great run D. of course, every team wants one that has both skills, but those players are few and far between.
December 21, 200520 yr QUOTE(Tmar28 @ Dec 21, 2005 -> 04:10 PM) if he plays the run great, yes. that is what a typical SS is. mediocre coverage, great run D. of course, every team wants one that has both skills, but those players are few and far between. But he isn't mediocre in coverage
December 21, 200520 yr QUOTE(WHarris1 @ Dec 21, 2005 -> 06:11 PM) But he isn't mediocre in coverage True. Mediocre = average to a bit above average Roy Williams is below average. Something isn't adding up Tmar?
December 21, 200520 yr QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Dec 21, 2005 -> 04:08 PM) :headshake what? reed was not the point of my argument. i did not get the point of trying to use whether he is SS or FS against me, which is still disputed by the way. Demps was the teams FS starter for the first 11 games. http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/303043/gamelogs/2005 he got injured, so Reed moved over to FS.
December 21, 200520 yr QUOTE(Tmar28 @ Dec 21, 2005 -> 06:19 PM) what? reed was not the point of my argument. i did not get the point of trying to use whether he is SS or FS against me, which is still disputed by the way. Demps was the teams FS starter for the first 11 games. http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/303043/gamelogs/2005 he got injured, so Reed moved over to FS. None of this backs up your argument.
December 21, 200520 yr QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Dec 21, 2005 -> 04:14 PM) True. Mediocre = average to a bit above average Roy Williams is below average. Something isn't adding up Tmar? ok mediocre is defined as "Moderate to inferior in quality". below average certainly fills those qualifications, no? if you want to be like that then fine. substitute mediocre to below average. i have never said anything other than roy williams is BELOW AVERAGE in coverage. they way i am seeing it is that you guys for some reason are trying to say i am saying differently?
December 21, 200520 yr QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Dec 21, 2005 -> 04:20 PM) None of this backs up your argument. haha duh, i said that. my argument was what qualifies a strong safety. you guys decided to pick on the fact that i called reed a strong safety. i proved he was for the first 11 games. i am responding to your arguments in that post.
December 21, 200520 yr QUOTE(Tmar28 @ Dec 21, 2005 -> 04:21 PM) ok mediocre is defined as "Moderate to inferior in quality". below average certainly fills those qualifications, no? if you want to be like that then fine. substitute mediocre to below average. i have never said anything other than roy williams is BELOW AVERAGE in coverage. they way i am seeing it is that you guys for some reason are trying to say i am saying differently? Look... Roy Williams is good against the run Roy Williams is not good against the pass How can you be a GREAT player when around half the time you are below average?
December 21, 200520 yr QUOTE(WHarris1 @ Dec 21, 2005 -> 06:23 PM) Look... Roy Williams is good against the run Roy Williams is not good against the pass How can you be a GREAT player when around half the time you are below average? Brown is good against the run. Brown is good against the pass. Williams is good against the run. Williams is not good against the pass. Tmar.....do the math.
December 21, 200520 yr QUOTE(WHarris1 @ Dec 21, 2005 -> 04:23 PM) Look... Roy Williams is good against the run Roy Williams is not good against the pass How can you be a GREAT player when around half the time you are below average? if your job is to be good against the run first and foremost, you have fulfilled your job title. great strong safety. Edited December 21, 200520 yr by Tmar28
December 21, 200520 yr QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Dec 21, 2005 -> 04:25 PM) Brown is good against the run. Brown is good against the pass. Williams is good against the run. Williams is not good against the pass. Tmar.....do the math. ok i said this earlier. williams is better against the run than brown. (which is the main part of the job) brown is better than williams against pass. it would even out, except factor in the main point of ss, and williams wins.
December 21, 200520 yr QUOTE(Tmar28 @ Dec 21, 2005 -> 04:29 PM) if your job is to be good against the run first and foremost, you have fulfilled your job title. great safety. Ugh. He would be good if the opposition ran the ball every f***ing play but they don't. He has to play in pass coverage just as much as he has to play against the run.
December 21, 200520 yr QUOTE(WHarris1 @ Dec 21, 2005 -> 04:31 PM) Ugh. He would be good if the opposition ran the ball every f***ing play but they don't. He has to play in pass coverage just as much as he has to play against the run. cornerbacks are there too you know. it does not come down to the safety having to break up the pass every play.
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