YASNY Posted July 2, 2003 Share Posted July 2, 2003 Has there ever been a trade made by the Sox that everybody thought was great? There were even dissenting opinions on the Colon deal, IIRC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capn12 Posted July 2, 2003 Share Posted July 2, 2003 We have to remember...there is an EXCELLENT chance that Alomar and Everett won't be around next year, so their long term "damage" to the clubhouse is minimal. I didn't want to lose Cotts, but no team is gonna give away a guy with switch-hitting power for someone like Blockhead Jimenez or Jon Rauch (who knows what his status is). I would rather have left Harris and Crash in CF, but since the move was made on good intentions for the team, I'm all for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hotsoxchick1 Posted July 2, 2003 Share Posted July 2, 2003 the clubhouse isnt lookin to happy about everett... look at the post game show and see what i mean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bmr31 Posted July 2, 2003 Share Posted July 2, 2003 the clubhouse isnt lookin to happy about everett... look at the post game show and see what i mean oh stop lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capn12 Posted July 2, 2003 Share Posted July 2, 2003 Don't get to see post-game coverage in South Carolina...sorry. Whats best for the team, is best for all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hotsoxchick1 Posted July 2, 2003 Share Posted July 2, 2003 oh stop lol. im not kidding.. and melton doesnt look to happy either.......he didnt have much to say.......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted July 2, 2003 Share Posted July 2, 2003 We have to remember...there is an EXCELLENT chance that Alomar and Everett won't be around next year, so their long term "damage" to the clubhouse is minimal. I didn't want to lose Cotts, but no team is gonna give away a guy with switch-hitting power for someone like Blockhead Jimenez or Jon Rauch (who knows what his status is). I would rather have left Harris and Crash in CF, but since the move was made on good intentions for the team, I'm all for it. Everett's stats for June: By Day/Month AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB HBP SO SB CS AVG OBP SLG OPS Â June 90 8 19 4 0 4 9 8 0 19 2 0 .211 .273 .389 .662 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hotsoxchick1 Posted July 2, 2003 Share Posted July 2, 2003 Everett's stats for June: <pre> By Day/Month           AB R H  2B  3B  HR RBI  BB HBP  SO  SB  CS   AVG   OBP   SLG   OPS  June               90 8  19 4 0 4 9 8 0  19 2 0 .211 .273 .389 .662 </pre> yikes.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted July 2, 2003 Share Posted July 2, 2003 The guy had a hot April and a good start to May, then has died. Â He is nowhere near the defensive equivalent in CF that Alomar is a 2B. Â I just don't see him fitting in with this team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Fainter Posted July 2, 2003 Share Posted July 2, 2003 Everett looks like he weighs 240. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted July 2, 2003 Share Posted July 2, 2003 Everett looks like he weighs 240. Jim, I didn't agree with you before, but on this one, I do. I was never a big fan of either Alomar or Everett, so I don't think there is any bias there. From the beginning, I thought that Alomar could help this team. I hated the idea of Everett from moment one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bmr31 Posted July 2, 2003 Share Posted July 2, 2003 Jim, I didn't agree with you before, but on this one, I do. I was never a big fan of either Alomar or Everett, so I don't think there is any bias there. From the beginning, I thought that Alomar could help this team. I hated the idea of Everett from moment one. Yeah and thats just killing his production right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted July 2, 2003 Share Posted July 2, 2003 Yeah and thats just killing his production right? What production????? Â Everett's stats for June: By Day/Month AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB HBP SO SB CS AVG OBP SLG OPS Â June 90 8 19 4 0 4 9 8 0 19 2 0 .211 .273 .389 .662 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bmr31 Posted July 2, 2003 Share Posted July 2, 2003 What production????? Everett's stats for June: <pre> By Day/Month           AB R H  2B  3B  HR RBI  BB HBP  SO  SB  CS   AVG   OBP   SLG   OPS  June               90 8  19 4 0 4 9 8 0  19 2 0 .211 .273 .389 .662 </pre> AGAIN, and as always, you post crap stats, that arent legit, to support your negative outlook. THe guy can hit, has always hit, and will continue to hit. ONLY A MORON would use 90 at bats to try and prove a point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 2, 2003 Share Posted July 2, 2003 Anytihng official on Everett. If its Cotts and Jimenez I don't like it, just Jimenez and two lesser guys (One probably Rauch the other probably a lower guy); Me guessing; then it isn't bad. Â If we give up the two of them, then I'll be dissapointed. Â LIke the Alomar deal a lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted July 2, 2003 Share Posted July 2, 2003 What production????? Everett's stats for June: By Day/Month           AB R H  2B  3B  HR RBI  BB HBP  SO  SB  CS   AVG   OBP   SLG   OPS  June               90 8  19 4 0 4 9 8 0  19 2 0 .211 .273 .389 .662 AGAIN, and as always, you post crap stats, that arent legit, to support your negative outlook. THe guy can hit, has always hit, and will continue to hit. ONLY A MORON would use 90 at bats to try and prove a point. Then this moron will just use 3,204 AB's. Is that sample size big enough for you??? You look at those numbers and tell me with a straight face and half a brain that the guy "has always hit". He has had TWO, arguably 3 good years. If you don't know your s***, don't spout it off.  CAREER BATTING RECORD YR Club LG CLASS POS AVG G AB R H TB 2B 3B HR RBI GW SH SF HB BB IB SO SB CS GDP SLUG OBP TPA 95 New York NL MAJ OF .260 79 289 48 75 126 13 1 12 54 0 1 0 2 39 2 67 2 5 11 .436 .352 331 Norfolk INT AAA OF .300 67 260 52 78 120 16 4 6 35 0 1 1 4 20 1 47 12 6 2 .462 .358 286 96 New York NL MAJ OF-PH .240 101 192 29 46 59 8 1 1 16 0 1 1 4 21 2 53 6 0 4 .307 .326 219 97 New York NL MAJ OF-PH .248 142 443 58 110 186 28 3 14 57 0 3 2 7 32 3 102 17 9 3 .420 .308 487 98 Houston NL MAJ OF-PH .296 133 467 72 138 225 34 4 15 76 0 3 2 3 44 2 102 14 12 11 .482 .359 519 99 Houston NL MAJ OF .325 123 464 86 151 265 33 3 25 108 0 2 8 11 50 5 94 27 7 5 .571 .398 535 00 Boston AL MAJ OF-PH .300 137 496 82 149 291 32 4 34 108 0 0 5 8 52 5 113 11 4 4 .587 .373 561 01 Boston AL MAJ OF .257 102 409 61 105 179 24 4 14 58 0 0 0 13 27 3 104 9 2 3 .438 .323 449 Sarasota FSL A DH .429 2 7 0 3 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 2 0 0 0 0 .429 .556 9 Red Sox GULF R OF .200 3 10 2 2 8 0 0 2 2 0 0 0 0 1 1 3 0 0 0 .800 .273 11 02 Texas AL MAJ OF-DH .267 105 374 47 100 164 16 0 16 62 0 1 4 6 33 4 77 2 3 7 .439 .333 418 Charlotte FSL A OF .500 1 4 1 2 4 0 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 1.000 .500 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bmr31 Posted July 2, 2003 Share Posted July 2, 2003 Thats not hitting to you? Thats not a good pickup for our lineup. uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh ooooooooooooooook lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 2, 2003 Share Posted July 2, 2003 I want to see him with a high obp and everything else. I am hopoing Everett pays off. This could be a huge move. If its just Jimenez then it works out just fine to me. The Sox are playing to win and I have no problem with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiff Posted July 2, 2003 Share Posted July 2, 2003 What production????? Everett's stats for June: By Day/Month           AB   R   H  2B  3B  HR  RBI  BB  HBP  SO  SB  CS   AVG   OBP   SLG   OPS   June               90   8  19   4   0   4   9   8   0  19   2   0   .211   .273   .389   .662  AGAIN, and as always, you post crap stats, that arent legit, to support your negative outlook. THe guy can hit, has always hit, and will continue to hit. ONLY A MORON would use 90 at bats to try and prove a point. Then this moron will just use 3,204 AB's. Is that sample size big enough for you??? You look at those numbers and tell me with a straight face and half a brain that the guy "has always hit". He has had TWO, arguably 3 good years. If you don't know your s***, don't spout it off.  CAREER BATTING RECORD YR Club LG CLASS POS AVG G AB R H TB 2B 3B HR RBI GW SH SF HB BB IB SO SB CS GDP SLUG OBP TPA 95 New York NL MAJ OF .260 79 289 48 75 126 13 1 12 54 0 1 0 2 39 2 67 2 5 11 .436 .352 331 Norfolk INT AAA OF .300 67 260 52 78 120 16 4 6 35 0 1 1 4 20 1 47 12 6 2 .462 .358 286 96 New York NL MAJ OF-PH .240 101 192 29 46 59 8 1 1 16 0 1 1 4 21 2 53 6 0 4 .307 .326 219 97 New York NL MAJ OF-PH .248 142 443 58 110 186 28 3 14 57 0 3 2 7 32 3 102 17 9 3 .420 .308 487 98 Houston NL MAJ OF-PH .296 133 467 72 138 225 34 4 15 76 0 3 2 3 44 2 102 14 12 11 .482 .359 519 99 Houston NL MAJ OF .325 123 464 86 151 265 33 3 25 108 0 2 8 11 50 5 94 27 7 5 .571 .398 535 00 Boston AL MAJ OF-PH .300 137 496 82 149 291 32 4 34 108 0 0 5 8 52 5 113 11 4 4 .587 .373 561 01 Boston AL MAJ OF .257 102 409 61 105 179 24 4 14 58 0 0 0 13 27 3 104 9 2 3 .438 .323 449 Sarasota FSL A DH .429 2 7 0 3 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 2 0 0 0 0 .429 .556 9 Red Sox GULF R OF .200 3 10 2 2 8 0 0 2 2 0 0 0 0 1 1 3 0 0 0 .800 .273 11 02 Texas AL MAJ OF-DH .267 105 374 47 100 164 16 0 16 62 0 1 4 6 33 4 77 2 3 7 .439 .333 418 Charlotte FSL A OF .500 1 4 1 2 4 0 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 1.000 .500 4 how many good major league years have harris, rowand, cotts, and jimenez had combined? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted July 2, 2003 Share Posted July 2, 2003 Thats not hitting to you? Thats not a good pickup for our lineup. uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh ooooooooooooooook lol.   C'mon Bmr.... Do you REALLY think you can say he is a great hitter with those numbers?? He has had two good seasons and a good start to this one. That's it. The rest scream of a 4th outfielder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bmr31 Posted July 2, 2003 Share Posted July 2, 2003 C'mon Bmr.... Do you REALLY think you can say he is a great hitter with those numbers?? He has had two good seasons and a good start to this one. That's it. The rest scream of a 4th outfielder. No? When did i say hes a great hitter? I said hes always hit? Im not a moron. This guy isnt a great hitter. Hes a decent left handed bat that is going to help our lineup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted July 2, 2003 Share Posted July 2, 2003 The question is, will Everett be appreciably better than Rowand/Harris in CF, taking into account defense and what the Sox gave up to get him? Â If he has a monster 2nd half and is a key player in the Sox winning, then I will consider relenting. But I think the Sox were primed for that, without him. THAT is my problem with the trade. How much better will he actually make the Sox than what they would have been without him and how does that compare with what they gave up. If Cotts, Honel, or Wing are not involved, then I may be able to stomach it more. But I can't see dealing a guy with top of the rotation ability for someone I don't think will make a huge difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bmr31 Posted July 2, 2003 Share Posted July 2, 2003 The question is, will Everett be appreciably better than Rowand/Harris in CF, taking into account defense and what the Sox gave up to get him?  If he has a monster 2nd half and is a key player in the Sox winning, then I will consider relenting. But I think the Sox were primed for that, without him. THAT is my problem with the trade. How much better will he actually make the Sox than what they would have been without him and how does that compare with what they gave up. If Cotts, Honel, or Wing are not involved, then I may be able to stomach it more. But I can't see dealing a guy with top of the rotation ability for someone I don't think will make a huge difference. What they gave up is very important, but comparing rowand and harris favorably to Everett, is crazy. Its not even close. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 2, 2003 Share Posted July 2, 2003 The question is, will Everett be appreciably better than Rowand/Harris in CF, taking into account defense and what the Sox gave up to get him?  If he has a monster 2nd half and is a key player in the Sox winning, then I will consider relenting. But I think the Sox were primed for that, without him. THAT is my problem with the trade. How much better will he actually make the Sox than what they would have been without him and how does that compare with what they gave up. If Cotts, Honel, or Wing are not involved, then I may be able to stomach it more. But I can't see dealing a guy with top of the rotation ability for someone I don't think will make a huge difference. Cotts, Wing, Honel and a few others can't be involved along with Jimenez.  I'm happy if Jimenez is the key guy cause this really fills a whole and whose not to say if these moves pay off that it doesn't mean that the Sox don't reup on these guys.  This were huge freaking moves.  In regards to defense, I'm thinking we'll see Harris and Rowand still get plenty of action as well as Daubach. I'm thinking Daubach will play a lot of DH and left field while Carlos will also dh a lot more with Rowand or Harris playing some left or Everett doing it.  My next guess is we'll see the Sox make a move for a reliever with Glover as one of the guys used as bait. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bmr31 Posted July 2, 2003 Share Posted July 2, 2003 Rex, sorry for getting so wound up about the deal. You have the right to your opinion. Im just really excited. Sorry again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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