Yas, do you preach religious intolerance and hatred to your kids? You seem to have no issue with McCain's spiritual adviser doing so.

I don't think Yas has said a word about what he thinks about McCain, since this is about Obama.

 

I don't think Yas has said a word about what he thinks about McCain, since this is about Obama.

This whole part of the discussion started when we brought up McCain's spiritual adviser but he dismissed that controversy right away, like the MSM, and brought it back to Reverend Wright.

Yas, do you preach religious intolerance and hatred to your kids? You seem to have no issue with McCain's spiritual adviser doing so.

 

WTF ... I'm sitting here criticizing the religeous intolerance of Jeremiah Wright and the fact that Obama sat and listened to it for 20+ years. I can't believe you even asked me that question. I'm done. I tried to have a civil but lively discussion with you. But for you to impeach my credibility on religious intolerance and defend Obama at the same time, I might as well be pissing up a rope.

He may not be, but what about the people surrounding him? What about the cabinet posts? You all like to cook George W. Bush on the same s***, well, think about that for a moment...

Actually I'd suggest that's a different problem. Bush chose to surround himself with people who all thought the same way. Obama is unlikely to do that.

 

I do actually understand the displeasure over this Wright thing with Obama. I think it should give people a bit of pause. In the overall scope, I think its not enough to push me away from him. I think his speech addressed that perfectly - it needs to be put in context. But I do get it - Obama chose to associate with a pastor who has on more than one occasion used inflammatory statements to rile up his church. That's not so good.

 

I don't think Yas has said a word about what he thinks about McCain, since this is about Obama.

http://www.soxtalk.com/forums/index.php?s=...t&p=1592862

TIME OUT.

 

I've deleted some posts. There is no cause to bring people's families into this discussion, even in the theoretical. No more of that s***, or I close the thread and suspensions will follow.

 

http://www.soxtalk.com/forums/index.php?s=...t&p=1592862

OK, I missed it... but good grief. That's a little uncalled for.

 

Sorry Yas.

Sorry Yas.

 

Ok. We'll leave it there.

I just think you should be careful tossing around the word racist.

Says who? If I feel someone to be racist and I express it thats my prerogative and it has nothing to do with you.

Is anyone actually told "you got in because of affirmative action?" How would anyone except the admissions office know?

Clearly she said that was how she got into college in that Newsweek interview and then a campaign spokesperson tried to do damage control. You guys can sugar coat it all you want but Ill take her word over an Obama supporter. I dont know how many of you guys read her thesis but the whole thing almost seems like the theme of it is that she was treated differently because of the color of her skin and that people resente her because of affirmative action. To be perfectly honest, it was rather poorly written considering the school. There are a lot of reviews about the thesis anyone can find online and the majority of them agree that she seems to have a chip on her shoulder because of the means needed to get her into the school.

Clearly she said that was how she got into college in that Newsweek interview

Can you provide a quote or link that CLEARLY states what you are claiming?

You are correct. Apparently she's doing her best to make sure that Obama has a 10% chance of beating McCain.

and people wonder why theyve lost the last 2 elections and are going to lose this one. How stupid do you have to be to sabotage your own party because of the slight chance you can get the nomination.

Can you provide a quote or link that CLEARLY states what you are claiming?

Ya, Ive posted it three times in this thread so whats one more...

Ya, Ive posted it three times in this thread so whats one more...

What can I say? I have A.D.D.

Newsweek good enough proof for you?

 

Michelle felt the tension acutely enough that she made it the subject of her senior sociology thesis, titled "Princeton-Educated Blacks and the Black Community." The paper is now under lock and key, but according to the Chicago Sun-Times, Michelle wrote that Princeton "made me far more aware of my 'blackness' than ever before." She wrote that she felt like a visitor on the supposedly open-minded campus. "Regardless of the circumstances under which I interact with Whites at Princeton," she wrote, "it often seems as if, to them, I will always be Black first and a student second." (Today, Michelle says, not quite convincingly, that she can't remember what was in her thesis.)

 

She didn't share such concerns with her parents, who were proud of their college-bound children. "She didn't talk about it a lot," says her mother, Marian. "I just learned from reading some articles that she did feel like she was different from other people. But she never let that bother her." Instead, Michelle was determined to prove that no matter how she got there, she deserved her place in the class: she graduated with departmental honors and was accepted to Harvard Law School.

 

At Harvard, she felt the same racial divide. Verna Williams and Michelle became friends in their first year of law school. She remembers many of their fellow black students worrying that white classmates viewed them as charity cases. But she suggests Michelle was not among them. "She recognized that she had been privileged by affirmative action and she was very comfortable with that," Williams recalls.

Buy you claimed that Michelle Obama admitted it and that you believed her word over a campaign surrogate.

Ill take her word over an Obama supporter

 

Buy you claimed that Michelle Obama admitted it and that you believed her word over a campaign surrogate.

ya, the bolded text is what she said in the interview and later in the article a "campaign spokesperson" said it was because she was a legacy. Anybody that isnt going to take what she said more seriously than a spokesperson whos job is to spin negative things that can hurt the campaign is seriously delusional.

Also, to save you the trouble, what I mean by the quote you posted from me is that I will beleive her when she says she got into college because of affirmative action than to an Obama supporter on a message board

Out of curiosity are any of the people that have continued to question my stance on Michelle getting into Princeton because of affirmative action going to address the proof I posted or just ignore it and move on to something else? Im just waiting for someone to tell me that they are going to take the word of a campaign spokesperson over the actual person that is the topic of discussion. Everyone was up in arms when I bring this up and then when I show where Im getting the info from nobody is even going to consider the fact that maybe its true?

ya, the bolded text is what she said in the interview

 

it is what vera williams recalled. not a direct michelle obama quote.

 

it is what vera williams recalled. not a direct michelle obama quote.

^^^^

And even if Michelle were quoted as saying that she got in because of affirmative action is it because she believes that or that she knows that? Would they actually tell her that she was accepted at Harvard because of affirmative action? I somehow doubt that.

Out of curiosity are any of the people that have continued to question my stance on Michelle getting into Princeton because of affirmative action going to address the proof I posted or just ignore it and move on to something else? Im just waiting for someone to tell me that they are going to take the word of a campaign spokesperson over the actual person that is the topic of discussion. Everyone was up in arms when I bring this up and then when I show where Im getting the info from nobody is even going to consider the fact that maybe its true?

 

I'm still going to question how any individual person knows that they got into school on their own merit or because of AA. She graduated with honors from Princeton -- I think that tends to point to her getting by on her own merit.

 

She may believe she benefited from AA, but does she know for sure? Would should still have gotten in without AA?

Edited March 24, 200818 yr by StrangeSox