November 19, 200817 yr QUOTE (kjshoe04 @ Nov 18, 2008 -> 05:05 PM) You said exactly what I was thinking, thank you. No one is that scared of Pedroia, and I know how he played against us. I'd still rather have him up there than Manny, Ortiz, Youkilis, I think even J.D. Drew scares me more. Screw Pedroia. You know I hate Pedroia as well but like someone previously stated it was the race of the tallest midget. But I still don't want him at the plate in a big situation because he's been known to come through. He may not scare you but I dont think he needs to in order to be an MVP. He just has to get the damn job done.
November 19, 200817 yr QUOTE (sircaffey @ Nov 18, 2008 -> 06:00 PM) Without Morneau, god knows where the Twins would have ended up. Probably behind the Tigers. He's the AL MVP in my mind. They probably would have been better in September with Brad Eldred as their 1Bman. Morneau is one of the reasons the Twins pissed the division down their leg.
November 19, 200817 yr QUOTE (santo=dorf @ Nov 18, 2008 -> 06:45 PM) Mauer handled the young pitching staff, won a gold glove and a silver slugger. He's more valuable. Where would the Sox have finished without Quentin? Behind the Tigers? First, Mauer does not play GG defense. His ability to block balls in the dirt is poor. I don't need to point out how much of a joke the GG is. Morneau carried that offense. To be able to put up .300-23-129 on a bad offensive team is ridiculous, and shows you exactly just how great Morneau was last season. Also, one of the 5 criteria on the MVP ballot is number of games played, and Morneau appeared in all 163 games. None of the other candidates did that. He's a rock. The AL vote was very crowded, though. You could point out reasons why any of these players should have won. And yes, the Sox would have finished below the Tigers without Quentin, but you don't win the MVP missing a month. I would have definitely put Quentin ahead of Morneau had he played a full season.
November 19, 200817 yr QUOTE (sircaffey @ Nov 18, 2008 -> 07:47 PM) Morneau carried that offense. To be able to put up .300-23-129 on a bad offensive team is ridiculous, and shows you exactly just how great Morneau was last season. Yes, that's why Justin Morneau led the American League with 558 at-bats with runners on (Ibanez was second in the AL with 484). I mean, seriously. He was hitting behind Joe Mauer and his .413 OBP for the entirety of the season. Imagine what Q's numbers would have been if he had someone with a .400 OBP in front of him. Also ignore the fact that Morneau killed the Twins for the last month of the season, when they needed him the most.
November 19, 200817 yr Morneau had so many RBI's because he had a ton of opportunities. I believe he was in the top of the league in leaving RISP as well.
November 19, 200817 yr QUOTE (santo=dorf @ Nov 18, 2008 -> 07:59 PM) Morneau had so many RBI's because he had a ton of opportunities. I believe he was in the top of the league in leaving RISP as well. He had so many RBI's because he was a man child during those opportunities... RISP Morneau: .348/.443/.602 Pedroia: .307/.365/.466 RISP w/2 outs Morneau: .329/.461/.573 Pedroia: .231/.355/.359 Runners On Morneau: .330/.418/.574 Pedroia: .310/.367/.453
November 19, 200817 yr Funny how Thome is called "unclutch" around here yet his OPS with RISP was higher than Morneau's.
November 20, 200817 yr QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Nov 18, 2008 -> 05:10 PM) I think I'm going to vomit. I look at an MVP as, "who scares the other team the most?" When Pujols came to the plate, teams were f***ed. Same with Morneau. Sure, the Twins didn't win the division, but they came as close as you can behind two bats and a bunch of over-worked arms. When Morneau came up, you knew you were in trouble. Teams game-planned around him. Pedroia was the 3rd to 7th scariest bat on his team. He's probably the worst MVP I've seen in my lifetime. I'd rather it have gone to Youkilis than Pedroia. For all the love that Morneau (somewhat unjustifiably) gets, Dye isn't even really in the conversation for some reason even though his offensive season was probably better for just about the whole year. Both of them disappeared in September though.
November 22, 200817 yr QUOTE (sircaffey @ Nov 18, 2008 -> 09:05 PM) He had so many RBI's because he was a man child during those opportunities... RISP Morneau: .348/.443/.602 Pedroia: .307/.365/.466 RISP w/2 outs Morneau: .329/.461/.573 Pedroia: .231/.355/.359 Runners On Morneau: .330/.418/.574 Pedroia: .310/.367/.453 Hey Felix, How do you explain these numbers? The most overrated player in baseball. Period. hits like this with runners on?
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