July 10, 200916 yr By Position, who in your opinion have been the best defenders by position who have played for the Sox (while they played for the Sox) in the last 20 years. And who do you think was overall #1. By defense, I mean all facets that come with it (i.e. range and speed, arm, fielding, good decision making). Twenty years ago I was four, so I'm not really qualified to answer this, but curious as to who you guys think belong in here. C: 1B: 2B: 3B: SS: LF: CF: RF: P: #1:
July 10, 200916 yr QUOTE (Markbilliards @ Jul 10, 2009 -> 11:32 AM) By Position, who in your opinion have been the best defenders by position who have played for the Sox (while they played for the Sox) in the last 20 years. And who do you think was overall #1. By defense, I mean all facets that come with it (i.e. range and speed, arm, fielding, good decision making). Twenty years ago I was four, so I'm not really qualified to answer this, but curious as to who you guys think belong in here. C: 1B: 2B: 3B: SS: LF: CF: RF: P: #1: 20 years ago I was 6 so I don't know how to answer a lot of these either. I'd have to think it would be Uribe or Guillen at SS, Crede or Ventura at 3B and BA or Rowand in CF.
July 10, 200916 yr C: Ron Karkovice 1B: Paul Konerko 2B: Jayson Nix 3B: Joe Crede SS: Juan Uribe LF: Tim Raines CF: Aaron Rowand RF: Magglio Ordonez P: Mark Buehrle
July 10, 200916 yr Jim Kaat was the best defensive pitcher I've seen. But that was thirty years ago. damn I'm old
July 10, 200916 yr Hard to argue with your picks knightni. EDIT: Maybe Ozzie over Juan. Edited July 10, 200916 yr by BigSqwert
July 10, 200916 yr C: Karko 1B: Paulie 2B: Cora 3B: Robin SS: Ozzie LF: Raines CF: 1Dog RF: Mags P: Burls #1: #13
July 10, 200916 yr QUOTE (knightni @ Jul 10, 2009 -> 10:50 AM) C: Ron Karkovice 1B: Paul Konerko 2B: Jayson Nix 3B: Joe Crede SS: Juan Uribe LF: Tim Raines CF: Aaron Rowand RF: Magglio Ordonez P: Mark Buehrle ventura>crede
July 10, 200916 yr QUOTE (lord chas @ Jul 10, 2009 -> 10:55 AM) ventura>crede All around, I agree. Just D, I think I'd take Crede.
July 10, 200916 yr QUOTE (lord chas @ Jul 10, 2009 -> 11:55 AM) ventura>crede I've seen Ventura and Guillen play as well as Crede and Uribe. - Guillen could have never gone into the stands and caught that ball in the WS. Crede and Ventura are a near wash defensively, and I love Ventura. I also considered Durham at second just for his range.
July 10, 200916 yr I also considered Lance Johnson, Mike Cameron and Dave Gallagher in LF. If you go back 30 years, I would have included Baines in RF.
July 10, 200916 yr QUOTE (knightni @ Jul 10, 2009 -> 11:00 AM) I also considered Lance Johnson, Mike Cameron and Dave Gallagher in LF. If you go back 30 years, I would have included Baines in RF. Pre injury Baines was pretty damn sweet.
July 10, 200916 yr QUOTE (Tex @ Jul 10, 2009 -> 12:16 PM) Pre injury Baines was pretty damn sweet. Heck yeah. Best accurate/power OF arm I've ever seen by a Sox player.
July 10, 200916 yr C Karko 1B Konerko 2B Durham SS Guillen 3B Crede LF Calderon CF Johnson RF Ordonez And now for the best I've seen in my lifetime: C Lollar 1B Walker 2B Fox SS Aparicio 3B Crede LF Minoso CF Berry RF Rivera
July 10, 200916 yr C: Kark 1B: Pauly 2B: Durham 3B: Crede SS: Guillen LF: Raines CF: Anderson RF: Ordonez P: Garland
July 10, 200916 yr QUOTE (knightni @ Jul 10, 2009 -> 11:17 AM) Heck yeah. Best accurate/power OF arm I've ever seen by a Sox player. If he had stayed healthy enough to play D
July 10, 200916 yr RF Sosa (when he first came up), Calderon, Dave Martinez CF Lance Johson, Mike Cameron or Brian Anderson LF Carlos Martinez (just kidding), ummm...hard to pick one, Raines wasn't that great either C Karkovice or Joel Skinner 1B Greg Walker 2B Durham wasn't a very good defender, except for those balls into OF and down the foul lines like Ramirez...maybe Nix SS Guillen and Uribe (tie) 3B Ventura over Crede P Buehrle or Garland
July 10, 200916 yr C: Charles Johnson 1b: Paul Konerko (although its really only him and Thomas) 2b: Jayson Nix SS: Juan Uribe 3b: Robin Ventura LF: Tim Raines CF: Mike Cameron RF: Brian Anderson
July 10, 200916 yr QUOTE (daa84 @ Jul 10, 2009 -> 12:15 PM) C: Charles Johnson 1b: Paul Konerko (although its really only him and Thomas) 2b: Jayson Nix SS: Juan Uribe 3b: Robin Ventura LF: Tim Raines CF: Mike Cameron RF: Brian Anderson Charles Johnson in the prime of his career, but not for that short half-season in 2000. He was actually much better offensively (especially that season) and more so-so defensively than I expected. That reminds me, Miguel Olivo has to be considered a close 2nd to Karkovice/Skinner. Sosa was awesome defensively when he first came up...with the only exception that he had so little control of his arm/throws, but he had an absolute rifle before he started getting bigger (a notch below Guerrero, Larry Walker, Dwight Evans and a bit better than Dye when he came up with ATL...maybe equal to Jose Guillen in the 1995-2000 time frame). Edited July 10, 200916 yr by caulfield12
July 10, 200916 yr QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 10, 2009 -> 11:17 AM) Charles Johnson in the prime of his career, but not for that short half-season in 2000. He was actually much better offensively (especially that season) and more so-so defensively than I expected. That reminds me, Miguel Olivo has to be considered a close 2nd to Karkovice/Skinner. Sosa was awesome defensively when he first came up...with the only exception that he had so little control of his arm/throws, but he had an absolute rifle before he started getting bigger (a notch below Guerrero, Larry Walker, Dwight Evans and a bit better than Dye when he came up with ATL...maybe equal to Jose Guillen in the 1995-2000 time frame). C: Kark 1B: Squires 2B: Cora SS: Guillen 3B: Ventura LF: BA CF: 1Dog RF: Baines P: Buehrle
July 10, 200916 yr QUOTE (Stan Bahnsen @ Jul 10, 2009 -> 11:31 AM) C: Kark 1B: Squires 2B: Cora SS: Guillen 3B: Ventura LF: BA CF: 1Dog RF: Baines P: Buehrle I think Squires and Lamar Johnson (etc.) go too far back into the 70's/early 80's for the purposes of this poll....haha! What's next? Worst Sox defensive players of the last 20 years? You know that Wilson Betemit would have to be on that list along with Dan Pasqua and Carlos Lee.
July 10, 200916 yr QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 10, 2009 -> 01:32 PM) I think Squires and Lamar Johnson (etc.) go too far back into the 70's/early 80's for the purposes of this poll....haha! What's next? Worst Sox defensive players of the last 20 years? You know that Wilson Betemit would have to be on that list along with Dan Pasqua and Carlos Lee. Okay, Carlos was no stud defensively, but he played in 148 games one year without committing an error and he had a fairly decent arm. Not saying he'd make anybody's all-defensive team but I don't think he was brutal.
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