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  1. Fine. I will leave. You win. It's not fun anymore being a fan of this organization anyway. The Sox will never go anywhere with Hahn or Reinsdorf involved anyway. Life is too short to invest any more time in a product with diminishing marginal utility. My son won't grow up with a rooting interest in the Sox either, and the White Sox couldn't care less about that, so neither do I. I don't even have to put a curse of them...they manage to self-sabotage everything themselves.
  2. Taking the popular media media choice for every open coaching/managing position always works out so well. If the Phillies had missed the postseason, why would everyone be talking about Long? They wouldn’t at all. The Phillies’ success rides 100% on the back of massive FA spending, which will never be replicated in Chicago. Now if this is predicated on Long fixing the likes of Bohm and Stott over the course of the season…and that somehow applying to reaching Grandal, Moncada, Anderson and Luis Robert by osmosis, sure. But Grifol at least had six years as a minor league manager, and three winter ball seasons in Venezuela, including a trip to the championship series. The pressure in those games in some ways is more intense than the World Series. But Long hung out with Juan Soto in the stands to cheer on ex teammates. Okay.
  3. Kevin Long is the equivalent of taking a 12 seed or higher’s coach who gets to the Sweet 16 in the NCAA’s and hiring him for a P5 conference. Sometimes it works, the media loves underdog and Cinderella stories, but it usually doesn’t translate more than 20% of the time. Its the same thing with the Saban/Belichick Coaching Tree. Kirby Smart and maybe Lane Kiffin have ended up doing well, but the majority haven’t succeeded. There’s just no way to know, in the end. If you could patent “gives great interviews” and transform it into W/L success, but that has never convinced me ever since KW claimed Robin Vebtura would have been a five star general and was going to be an incredible leader of men on the diamond as well.
  4. This should be pinned at the top of the page when Hahn apologists claim he wasn’t totally onboard with Grifol…
  5. Could be the White Sox once again trying to prove they don't care what outsiders think about their smartest guys in the room and we're going to do whatever we want to do regardless of whether it appeases the fanbase or not schtick. Time will tell. In a lot of ways, he has just as many similarities to Renteria as anyone. Maybe the primary difference here is more into analytics framing shifting, etc.
  6. One thing is for sure, they didn't prioritize the PR spin value of things in terms of holding onto season ticket holders with Grifol here. Not unlike dumping El Caballo, Maggie and Valentin for the cast that would lead them to the WS in 2005.
  7. Would be a total shocker if he wasn't 100% positive, especially if he felt the Royals made mistakes twice passing him up for Matheny and Matt Q.
  8. Especially because we just hired a guy an inferior divisional rival (arguably) fired/reassigned once and passed on two more times when they had the opportunity to make him their manager. Once for Matheny, this year for Matt Q. Marlins also just passed on him.
  9. Cuban American. Passed over by at least four teams and the Royals twice. Six years as a manager in the Mariners minor league system when they were the best team in baseball. Baseball lifer like Thomson. Three years of winter ball managing including one trip to championship. Some connections in Venezuela. this article can be accessed for free if you have a FB/Meta account https://www.kansascity.com/article268134122.html#_=_
  10. This is THE ONE article everyone will want to read from the analytics side of things. https://theathletic.com/306432/2018/04/09/dodd-how-the-royals-flourishing-analytics-department-convinced-ned-yost-to-shift-on-defensive-shifts/ Dodd a long-time KC Star contributor intimately familiar with Royals and Chiefs operations.
  11. "Grifol was reassigned himself the next year when Royals hitters continued to flounder, taking over catching coach duties and quality control. He was considered for the managerial opening when Ned Yost retired, and interviewed for the Giants and Tigers managerial openings in 2019, but returned to serve as bench coach under Mike Matheny in 2020. Grifol has served as the connective tissue between the Royals’ analytics department and the on-field staff. He was part of the push to implement defensive shifts and sought to improve Salvador Perez’s framing. The 52-year-old Miami native is well-liked among players and is bilingual, often serving as a translator for Spanish-speaking players." Excerpt from royalsreview...previous citation. Also has mostly positive fan comments following article.
  12. https://www.royalsreview.com/2022/11/1/23434814/white-sox-hire-royals-bench-coach-pedro-grifol-as-manager Lots of good stuff here. Royals' fans think the White Sox made a good move and should have been hired over Matheny. That said, he was fired/reassigned by KC right before they got to World Series level. And passed over by many many teams like Espada Dave Martinez and Sandy Alomar Jr. Recently passed over for Marlins' job as well as KC again.
  13. Jones had an 827 ops with the Sox. Kotsay and Erstad, not only much.
  14. https://www.espn.com/mlb/insider/story/_/id/34897273/mlb-playoffs-how-phillies-constructed-world-series-roster Spend spend spend!
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