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I mean, James tries to give a holistic picture. Yes, I know they got two teens in the trade, but they also gave up three useful pieces - and after Zavala, I've got 0 confidence they can develop these teens that Getz acquires. Is that fair? Not really, but Getz is what turned me from an eternal optimist into a "f*** them, they don't give a s%*# about fans." Getting 29-year-old Edman would have been ripped like getting 29-year-old Wilson. But it's been infuriating to watch a World Series team get a closer and NLCS MVP-starting shortstop in return for Miguel Vargas and two fliers. You've got people in this thread that for years have derided analytics suddenly blaming Hahn (who, according to actual reporters with seemingly no agenda, pushed for analytic) for poor analytics. What is it? Getz has done f***-and-all to inspire confidence. Bannister actually demonstrated some knowledge other than "throw a fastball kid" with the Giants, so yeah, he probably deserves some extra runway. Everyone else is meh. I think that James ( @Y2Jimmy0 correct me if I'm wrong) is merely encouraging some patience to see if Getz will do things differently since he's changing personnel. A lot of us have just ran out of patience.

It really does come down to: When you're bad at your job and your friends that you hire are also bad at their jobs, they're crony hires. If Getz were experienced in anyway other than baseball man/ass-kissing and he and his hires didn't create the worst team in MLB history, it'd get papered over. But right now the chief qualification on their resume seems to be "friend with Getz."

Tank Commander Miguel Vargas is insulted. He was brought in to ensure a top pick next year since we couldn't get one this year.

Tommy Edman may be 29 and doesn't have years of control left, but he's the exact type of player Getz has been chirping about acquiring. Instead he got a guy who can't hit or defend.

Chris Getz: "I'm going to assemble a good looking defense that will be appealing t pitchers." Worst defense in the league.

Right? They overhauled the front office and gave us 121 losses.

I think that if Coby and Zach are in the same lineup, Ball needs to be with them. Despite the time off, he still looks like he has better chemistry with Zach. And that won't gel well with Giddey in a contract year.

ALCS is where Neal Cotts was the only guy to throw a BP inning. How in the world are you forgetting Game 3 going 13 innings? You can't be worshipping Ozzie and forgetting what is possibly the best managed game of his career.

Jayson Nix has Sox connections, overlapped in KC with Getz and is currently on the Angels coaching staff.

Absolutely disgusting. I bet they don't even have BASEBALL MEN like master negotiator Chris Getz running their front offices.

A bunch of fucking nerds?

The Dodgers hired Andrew Friedman because he had the analytical know-how from his time with Tampa Bay. The Dodgers are essentially what would happen if Tampa Bay had a budget.

This is Braden Shewmake erasure.

Nah. Just a complete fucking moron. Other GMs are licking their lips getting ready for Crochet and Robert negotiations.

Chris Getz is a fucking moron.