Soxplosion Posted December 1, 2002 Share Posted December 1, 2002 Well, one person from the MLB board says the trade is imminent yet neither of the two teams official sites says anything about it and the As board also said nothing. Yet the As board is completely consumed in the race for the Worlds Longest Thread so not much help there. So do any of yall think this will happen or is somebody just pulling our leg?I dont know, I think theres a good chance it will happen and Id actually kinda like it. Foulke is a real whiner and his showing this past year was subpar yet he did rehabilitate himself plenty towards the end. And like others have said when Foulkes stuff doesnt break and he doesnt have it hes screwed. Koch is a real closer, just pure power. I think this is a good trade. And whatever with MJ, hes been here long enough, he shouldnt even be in the bigs anymore... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted December 1, 2002 Share Posted December 1, 2002 I like Mark Johnson....as a backup catcher. He's really good...he's a good defensive catcher and knows how to call a game. I wonder how our pitchers feel about trading a catcher that caught them all year long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxplosion Posted December 1, 2002 Author Share Posted December 1, 2002 We have Olivo. Im sure this prospect will quickly make MJ news of the past, given the Koch trad happens. Maybe hes a good backup but all he would be doing is resting Olivo occasionally but Olivo has equal defense, a better arm and a MUCH BETTER BAT. MJs career lack of offense is unacceptable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 1, 2002 Share Posted December 1, 2002 Its coming from Michelle and she knows her stuff so I'm with her 100% on this. Michelle is one of the smartest baseball fans I know, and a huge huge Sox fan. I may disagree with her on a lot of stuff, mainly because we look at things differently, ie she's much more of a realist then me because she's in the city while I get the news from farther away. Still, HSC knows her stuff so I definately believe this is possible. Hopefully it happens as long as its not a top prospect we are giving up. I can live with giving up Porzio or Ginter but no one good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MurcieOne Posted December 1, 2002 Share Posted December 1, 2002 Michelle isn't one to make up complete bulls***..... so I believe her 100% We love you Hotsoxchick1! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubKilla Posted December 2, 2002 Share Posted December 2, 2002 Originally posted by theoldromanWell, one person from the MLB board says the trade is imminent yet neither of the two teams official sites says anything about it and the As board also said nothing. Yet the As board is completely consumed in the race for the Worlds Longest Thread so not much help there. So do any of yall think this will happen or is somebody just pulling our leg?I dont know, I think theres a good chance it will happen and Id actually kinda like it. Foulke is a real whiner and his showing this past year was subpar yet he did rehabilitate himself plenty towards the end. And like others have said when Foulkes stuff doesnt break and he doesnt have it hes screwed. Koch is a real closer, just pure power. I think this is a good trade. And whatever with MJ, hes been here long enough, he shouldnt even be in the bigs anymore... Yeah. Foulke losing the closer role after 2 or 3 blown saves earlier on in 2002 qualifies him as a whiner. . This hardly qualifies him as a whiner. Tom Gordon was a whiner. Keith Foulke handled his demotion like a pro. Man..... Sox fans are fickle. TRADE FRANK (arguably the best offensive producer of the 90's)! FOULKE'S A WHINER! Get real. :**** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedPinStripes Posted December 2, 2002 Share Posted December 2, 2002 I like the trade, but i'm not sure they'll pull it off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxplosion Posted December 2, 2002 Author Share Posted December 2, 2002 I am Franks biggest fan. Id possibly cease to be a White Sox fan if Frank left by any other means than retirement. Hes a Sox lifer... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hotsoxchick1 Posted December 2, 2002 Share Posted December 2, 2002 well thanks guys for the love, i appreciate it.... actually if i werent so sure that this is even a remote possibility and had i heard it from just some joe schmoe i would not have said a word... but the people i have talked to in the past couple of days say this is a done deal, hence the reason i figured me posting it would prepare you all for the move......i know that posting stuff like this is pretty much a crap shot since deals have a way of falling apart at the last minute, but from what i hear its pretty much done and over with except for the public announcement......thats why i figured i would play kw for a change and roll the dice and let it be known......lol..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyeGuy Posted December 2, 2002 Share Posted December 2, 2002 Are we trying to trade Foulke for Billy Botch? We can give the MJ whatever, but why do we need Billy Botch for explain to me? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubKilla Posted December 2, 2002 Share Posted December 2, 2002 We don't need him. We need a SP. But it's rumored that KW will trade Foulke and Johnson for Koch come Monday. Good to know we're set when it comes to SP :mad: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MurcieOne Posted December 2, 2002 Share Posted December 2, 2002 We can use the money saved on Foulke contract to go and get a SP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hotsoxchick1 Posted December 2, 2002 Share Posted December 2, 2002 hell the money we saved with both foulke and johnson....arent we like 8 mil ahead on this deal already???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubKilla Posted December 2, 2002 Share Posted December 2, 2002 Originally posted by MurcielagoWe can use the money saved on Foulke contract to go and get a SP. Too bad we cheer for a team that operates like this with one of the lowest payrolls in all of baseball. This s*** is getting stale :mad: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hotsoxchick1 Posted December 2, 2002 Share Posted December 2, 2002 and to think all that cash i usually spend on my season tickets could at least afford a portion of someones salary......geez maybe i should start my own team huh.........lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molto Posted December 2, 2002 Share Posted December 2, 2002 we won't be saving any money really, if you compare things to last seasons. foulke's 6 mil is his pay for 2003, he got paid 4 mil in 2002. so really we are exchanging close to 5 mil in salary for Koch, who will likely make about 4-5 mil after arbitration. so we really don't save money, if anything maybe a mil tops. the plus side to this is we'll have Koch, someone who wants to close, for a few years. and like I said before, Foulke and Koch are no different in terms of the numbers they will put up, but the reason for Foulke's success is his changeup. when his changeup isn't there, he gets lit up. success for Koch is his fastball, which can get to 101 at times. 100 MPH fastball seems more of a sure bet on a day in and day out basis than a changeup. of course Koch has had his share of blown games too, but I don't think we'll see long stretches where Koch is just bad. if this trade doesn't happen, I don't think we are any worse or better. I think the Sox are looking at getting a set closer for a few years. by getting Koch, they don't have to worry about having a ST battle between Marte and Foulke, because Koch will close, period. it is a pretty strange deal. like some have already said, we need some starting pitching, and this seems to be the only thing that has come up, a trade for a closer. perhaps we will see another move during the meetings. we need to sign or trade for a pitcher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 2, 2002 Share Posted December 2, 2002 Ya, but a million bucks is still a good amount of money, consdering that JR seems to hate spending any money, so when he saves a bit their, it could just mean he could up the offer on Daal. Plus, you can't just think one year at a time and I'm very impressed that for once KW would be making a move that would keep the team just as good in the present, but make them better over time. I'd hate going into next season looking at Marte or hoping Valentine or Almonte can become a closer. I'll stick with a proven guy like Koch and let the others develop as set up men/middle relievers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johndyce Posted December 3, 2002 Share Posted December 3, 2002 KOCH IS GOOD!!! GOOD GOOD GOOD did I mention he is good? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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