Cotts ruined?

[Molto]

I think the only way Manuel should be criticized is if it was Buehrle's chance to pitch in the rotation. IT WASN'T HIS TURN.

 

the ONLY time you push a guy up is when you move to a four-man rotation briefly. this will allow you to use that guy you moved up one more time in the season. whether Buehrle pitches today or tomorrow, he will get his fair share of starts.

 

as far as backfiring? what if Buehrle pitched and got rocked? and then Cotts struggles against the Tigers and we get shutdown by a no name pitcher, which we've done MANY times this year.

 

if that happens you are looking at a two game losing streak.

 

I know you guys don't like this idea of conceding a game, and I don't think Manuel was trying to do this, but we need wins and we have a VERY good shot at winning tomorrow.

[Bmr31]

I think the only way Manuel should be criticized is if it was Buehrle's chance to pitch in the rotation.  IT WASN'T HIS TURN.

 

the ONLY time you push a guy up is when you move to a four-man rotation briefly.  this will allow you to use that guy you moved up one more time in the season.  whether Buehrle pitches today or tomorrow, he will get his fair share of starts.

 

as far as backfiring?  what if Buehrle pitched and got rocked? and then Cotts struggles against the Tigers and we get shutdown by a no name pitcher, which we've done MANY times this year. 

 

if that happens you are looking at a two game losing streak.

 

I know you guys don't like this idea of conceding a game, and I don't think Manuel was trying to do this, but we need wins and we have a VERY good shot at winning tomorrow.

I agree. However, two problems. He gets paid to make decisions, and more importantly MB and the players wanted MB to go in that game. I probably would have went with that. It will all be moot if MB can beat the tigers tomorrow.

[Chisoxfn]

Folks...this isn't going to hurt the team unless in fact there was an insurrection over Buehrle not starting.

 

I think the only reason people didn't want Cotts starting was because Buehrle, the proven ace, wanted to go and he was on his normal rest. The thing had nothing to do with Cotts. I've already noticed Buehrle has been mentoring Neal or at least it looks that way, which is a GREAT thing, imo.

 

And I like to see the team sticking up for one of their players, even if it is against a manager. The key is, the players need to put it behind them. I think they will do exactly that. No manager goes through an entire season without taking some heat at one point or another. I'm sure Baker has heard some crap from his players in regards to Estes continually starting, it just hasnt' been leaked.

 

And as far as this hurting Cotts, I've siad it once but I'll say it one more time. This kid is tough. He has got into many jams in his young major league career, but never have I seen that deer in the headlights look. The guy just goes back to business and is confident and I got not doubt this butt kicking will make him a better pitcher, not a worse one.

 

If this game was gonna ruin his career, then it isn't a career that would be going anywhere, imo. Cotts is gonna be a good pitcher, and like all good pitchers he's gonna go through some struggles, but in the end they will make him much better.

[Bmr31]

Folks...this isn't going to hurt the team unless in fact there was an insurrection over Buehrle not starting. 

 

I think the only reason people didn't want Cotts starting was because Buehrle, the proven ace, wanted to go and he was on his normal rest.  The thing had nothing to do with Cotts.  I've already noticed Buehrle has been mentoring Neal or at least it looks that way, which is a GREAT thing, imo.

 

And I like to see the team sticking up for one of their players, even if it is against a manager.  The key is, the players need to put it behind them.  I think they will do exactly that.  No manager goes through an entire season without taking some heat at one point or another.  I'm sure Baker has heard some crap from his players in regards to Estes continually starting, it just hasnt' been leaked.

 

And as far as this hurting Cotts, I've siad it once but I'll say it one more time. This kid is tough.  He has got into many jams in his young major league career, but never have I seen that deer in the headlights look.  The guy just goes back to business and is confident and I got not doubt this butt kicking will make him a better pitcher, not a worse one.

 

If this game was gonna ruin his career, then it isn't a career that would be going anywhere, imo.  Cotts is gonna be a good pitcher, and like all good pitchers he's gonna go through some struggles, but in the end they will make him much better.

Eh, hopefull youre right.

[clujer420]

MB and the players wanted MB to go in that game.  I probably would have went with that. It will all be moot if MB can beat the tigers tomorrow.

But you know DAMNED well that had Manuel let MB and the players make the decision, there would be JUST as many people saying "JM has no control over the team, he's letting the inmates run the asylum". That's exactly what would have happened, I guar-an-friggin-tee it. So either way, JM is a moron in many people's eyes, and it's unfortunate IMO.

 

And yes, it's all a moot point if MB comes out and pitches well tomorrow and we win 7-3 or something like that.

[Bmr31]

But you know DAMNED well that had Manuel let MB and the players make the decision, there would be JUST as many people saying "JM has no control over the team, he's letting the inmates run the asylum".  That's exactly what would have happened, I guar-an-friggin-tee it.  So either way, JM is a moron in many people's eyes, and it's unfortunate IMO. 

 

And yes, it's all a moot point if MB comes out and pitches well tomorrow and we win 7-3 or something like that.

Great point. I dont disagree.

[Steff]

But you know DAMNED well that had Manuel let MB and the players make the decision, there would be JUST as many people saying "JM has no control over the team, he's letting the inmates run the asylum".  That's exactly what would have happened, I guar-an-friggin-tee it.  So either way, JM is a moron in many people's eyes, and it's unfortunate IMO. 

 

And yes, it's all a moot point if MB comes out and pitches well tomorrow and we win 7-3 or something like that.

Ya think if Neal would have pitched well.. JM would be being called a genius..?

[bjmarte]

But you know DAMNED well that had Manuel let MB and the players make the decision, there would be JUST as many people saying "JM has no control over the team, he's letting the inmates run the asylum".  That's exactly what would have happened, I guar-an-friggin-tee it.  So either way, JM is a moron in many people's eyes, and it's unfortunate IMO. 

 

And yes, it's all a moot point if MB comes out and pitches well tomorrow and we win 7-3 or something like that.

Ya think if Neal would have pitched well.. JM would be being called a genius..?

Alright now, let's not go overboard.

[YASNY]

Apparently you havent been watching the sox this season.  Its a serious concern.  Its not a reason to panic, but the whole team is pissed at JM and that can easily cause this team to lose focus.  And i will repeat the word EASILY......

If they are so pissed ... let's see them go take out their anger on the Tigers. Geez, they whole damn board, is blowing this one WAY out of proportion.

[clujer420]

Ya think if Neal would have pitched well.. JM would be being called a genius..?

Not by anyone on here. JM could be proven to be the 2nd coming of Christ in disguise and people here would still want his head. But, I think most will agree that managers (and head coaches in other sports as well) take too much blame when things go poorly, and too much credit when they go well. That's how I feel, at least.

[obno]

Just a thought, if Lee doesn't run by the ground ball in the outfield and let in 2 of Neals 4 run he just might have gotten out of the inning, ended up with a no decision, and the sox's the sweep.

[The Critic]

I think the only way Manuel should be criticized is if it was Buehrle's chance to pitch in the rotation.  IT WASN'T HIS TURN.

I think JM should also be criticized for changing the Thursday starter twice, three times if you include "undecided".

He could also be criticized for talking about a "contingency plan".

If it's not MB's turn, then he should not even have been considered for Thursday's start.

 

My complaint was ( and is ), if you lead me to think there is a choice between a veteran who has had ML success or a rook with control problems to pitch against the best team in the AL, I want the veteran.

If that choice is not implied, I have no complaint.

 

And since it's done and gone, here's my final thought on the subject:

While it's true that MB MAY have fared no better, and while he did the right thing by sticking up for the kid in the papers, I would ALWAYS prefer to throw my veteran against a better team and take my chances with a youngster against a lesser team, no matter how my team has done against the lesser team that year.

But that's just my thinking....doesn't necessarily make me right.

[Bmr31]

Just a thought, if Lee doesn't run by the ground ball in the outfield and let in 2 of Neals 4 run he just might have gotten out of the inning, ended up with a no decision, and the sox's the sweep.

They got more hits, thats totally false.