SoxBlanco
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42 minutes ago, Balta1701 said:
So first, it is still entirely possible that if Giolito has a better first half, he could be worth more at the trade deadline.
Problem with that is if Giolito has a solid first half, we aren't going to want to trade him for two reasons:
1. We will likely be in the hunt for the division.
2. We can't simply sign a free agent to round out the rotation like we can now.
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9 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said:
Things are never worse than you thought they were going to be. Stop kidding yourself.
That's true. If things ended up like he expected, there still wouldn't be any games being played because of Covid.
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I'll predict a three-team trade. The return won't be exciting, but it will allow us to free up some money to sign an outfielder.
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Just now, southsider2k5 said:
Dylan Covey I think.
Man, there was a month stretch where I truly thought he was going to be a part of our rotation moving forward.
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10 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:
Vaughn: 1st year was a disaster offensively
If a wRC+ of 93 is a “disaster” for a rookie who skipped AA and AAA, then we are looking at one of the best hitters in the game.
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1 hour ago, MiddleCoastBias said:
Gun to my head?
Yes, but only for Benintendi (Conforto and Nimmo will be out of our price range.
I'd rather take the bullet than Gallo.
I actually wouldn't hate Gallo. His defense is solid, and getting out of NY could help. I know it's scary because of our history with the Adam Dunns of the world, but if we aren't going to spend for Nimmo, I wouldn't be mad if we signed Gallo.
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Gun to your head:
Will the Sox end up with one of these four players on the 2023 roster?: Conforto, Benintendi, Gallo, Nimmo
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12 minutes ago, Lip Man 1 said:
If you are looking at the entire 100+ year history of the franchise it is starting pitching, shortstop and center field in whatever order you choose.
I won’t disagree with you there. I’m strictly talking about my history as a fan.
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52 minutes ago, JoeCredeYes said:
1B has certainly been the most stable position since I've been around, I was born the night the O's spanked us 11-1 in the '83 ALCS.
I am 89 days younger than you, and I agree that 1B has to be the pick here.
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3 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:
It was never 8 million. The original post was that it was at least 8 million, not that it was 8 million.
This. Thank you.
That’s why I made a post yesterday asking if I missed an official announcement of the dollar amount. People were talking yesterday like the 8 million amount was official, and I didn’t understand why. This $12M number is pretty much exactly what I was expecting.
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13 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:
To finish the important part here, there is about zero chance that Cueto's 23 is as good as his 22. The last time Cueto was this good was 2016. What is crazy is that Cueto's 2022 saw an insanely low HR rate despite his K rate being the lowest of his entire career. It was also the first time he has been over 140 innings since 2016. There are a lot of red flags here screaming fluke.
Exactly. And that's why if you are going to claim Clevinger has no chance in 2023 of putting up the type of season Cueto had last year, then there was also zero chance of Cueto putting up that type of season coming out of 2021. And we already saw that is was, in fact, possible.
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1 hour ago, southsider2k5 said:
I would hope a decent amount. Look, as we saw with Tony, you can have all of the assets and information in the world, but if the manager refuses to use it, it is worthless. The scene that keeps playing over and over in my mind is the staff trying to tell Tony how a rule works, him refusing to listen, and Tony being wrong.
Was this the extra inning runner rule?
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2 hours ago, Harold's Leg Lift said:
Exactly. They signed a guy who has zero chance of being as good as the guy was he's replacing. What else ya got, Hahn.
I replied to this already, but I have a question for you:
Who was/is more likely to have a 3.5 win season? Cueto heading into the 2022 season, or Clevinger heading into the 2023 season?
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1 hour ago, Harold's Leg Lift said:
Exactly. They signed a guy who has zero chance of being as good as the guy was he's replacing. What else ya got, Hahn.
Wait, what?? Zero chance that Clevinger is better than Cueto next year? That's one of the most ridiculous things I've ever read.
EDIT: I suppose you mean that Clevinger's 2023 has no chance of being better than Cueto's 2022. Not as ridiculous as I first thought, but still a pretty crazy claim.
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16 minutes ago, Vote4Pedro said:
Yeah and apparently we (or at least myself ) are the ones with nothing better to do with our lives 😂
Unrelated to the current conversation, but I forget who you were before changing your name. What was your previous SoxTalk name?
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Did I miss an official announcement of the dollar amount?
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How long before the dollar amount gets announced?
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15 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:
Nimmo would be awesome, but who else would you consider a big contract?
I didn’t really have another player in mind. I was thinking Nimmo or one of the shortstops (which won’t happen).
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31 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:
The more I think about it, the more I think Hendriks gets moved. He just seems like a luxury we can’t afford at the moment and he should actually bring legit value back given what relief pitchers are going for right now. Additionally, moving him would free up some payroll and give us more flexibility to address other needs. Both the Yankees & Dodgers could use an elite closer and there is no one is his stratosphere available in free agency. And honestly, I also worry his arm is going to explode at some point next year. Basically it just makes so much sense to trade him right now even if it weakens the current state of the bullpen, assuming a quality return can be attained.
I wouldn’t mind trading Hendriks as long as we used the money to sign Nimmo (or some other big contract).
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4 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:
I'd say Clevinger outperforming Cueto is a 33% chance.
Do you think Cueto gets a larger contract than Clevinger during this offseason?
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2 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said:
While I don’t agree with the thought process, signing Clevinger and trading Gio still leaves us without a 5th SP and best case scenario is a wash salary wise, likely a slight increase in payroll.
Right, but you’d have to look at it as a completely separate move to adding a 5th starter. Whether or not we replace Gio with Clevinger, we’d still need a 5th starter. If Sox have no interest in Clevinger unless it is packaged with a Gio trade (I have no idea if that’s the case…just saying hypothetically if that IS their thought process), then there are two options:
1. Sign a 5th starter like Quintana or someone along those lines.
2. Sign a 5th starter like Quintana, and then replace Giolito with Clevinger.
If those are the two options, I can see why the Sox would choose option 2 if they truly think Lucas will never be good again.
Of course, the third option is to just sign Clevinger as the 5th starter, which is what I would do, but option 2 is better than option 1 if you think Lucas is toast (which isn’t far fetched after watching him pitch last year).
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3 hours ago, ChiSox59 said:
JFC, Sox better be getting an awesome return on Gio if they actually move him. It is such an assbackward strategy.
If Clevinger does end up being a replacement for Gio, the Sox must feel like Lucas is truly toast at this point. I wouldn’t bet against him going into a contract year, but it’s not that crazy to think Clevinger will have a better year than Gio next year. So if the price for both is similar, and you can get something of value in return for Gio, and your scouts think Clevinger is the better pitcher next year, it’s a no brainer to pull the trigger.
Like I said, I wouldn’t choose to go that route because I wouldn’t bet against Lucas in a contract year, but I would at least understand the move.
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2 hours ago, Texsox said:
He does.
But how is it outrageously negative to believe a .500 team who is losing their best player ( and one of the best in baseball) over the past eight seasons, at least one OF starter, has an unproven manager, a weak front office, and a cheap owner will stay at .500?
Seems like it's outrageously positive to believe this .500 team will get appreciably better this off season.
But yeah, he's always negative but in this case negative is a logical conclusion to make.
It depends on whether you think this team is closer to what we saw in 22 or in 20/21.
I think last year was the anomaly, so I don’t think it’s overly optimistic to think this team will be better next year.
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Just now, Vote4Pedro said:
I would bring him in but imagine he won’t be cheap, with limited cash I’d still assume they end up trading Giolito for needs elsewhere and still try to resign Cueto….#WhitesoxCheap
But Clevinger is going to cost the same as Giolito, and possibly a little more. Signing Clevinger and trading Giolito isn’t a move a “cheap” team would make to help them financially.
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Is Now the Time to Trade Gio?
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You make the trade if you don't think you are downgrading the rotation. It's not crazy to think someone like Manaea pitches better than Giolito next year.