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    Putting things in realistic perspective.

    in Pale Hose Talk

    Posted · Edited by KonerkoFan1

    9 minutes ago, pcq said:

    Go back to the Bears maybe. 

    Maybe you could provide a counterpoint instead.

    The idea that fandom means you can't criticize or realize and admit where there are problems is ridiculous. 

    "Well, anything can happen!" =/= actually being a playoff caliber team.

    But I know that for many, being rational is not a thing. I provided a balanced perspective; I gave the Sox benefit of the doubt for some things and also reamed Renteria. But the Sox still have issues enough that prevent them from being ready for this.

    Putting things in realistic perspective.

    in Pale Hose Talk

    Posted

    6 hours ago, jaws7575 said:

    Honestly it starts from the top when your current manager makes Terry Bevington look smart-that is game over. I just do not feel he is the guy to get this team to the next stage.

    I don't remember that far back but anyone I know that does has essentially tried to make me feel better about Ricky by telling me no one was worse than Terry.

     

    Hyperbole?

    Will the Front Office Fire Renteria?

    in Pale Hose Talk

    Posted

    2 hours ago, tray said:

    Renteria did not take Eloy out after he initially injured his ankle stepping on first base. Eloy probably aggravated that injury when he ran the bases following that.

    Renteria made a farce out of the last game with his foolhardy decisions, like issuing an intentional walk in the midst of a 5 walk inning.

    I can't focus all of my ire toward Renteria though. Keuchel had a terrible game 2 which allowed  Oakland back in the series.  Michael Kopech also has to be mentioned. Game 3 could have been his game. He let the team and White Sox fans down because he could not get his own affairs in order.

     

     

     

     

     

    These posts bashing Kopech are such bad takes.

     

    Life is more important than baseball and you can't take someone else's inventory. Period.

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    Sox @ A’s - Wildcard Game 3 - 2:10

    in 2020 Season in Review

    Posted · Edited by KonerkoFan1

    3 hours ago, Tony said:

     I'm not going to continue to engage with someone this emotionally unstable. It doesn't seem right. 

    Good luck. 

    Sorry but not fooled. You just can't acknowledge the points and face the music. 

     

    I echo his points but am not showing any aggression. So... give me a try then. Prove that's what your lack of rebuttal is actually about.

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    Fire Ricky

    in Pale Hose Talk

    Posted

    11 minutes ago, South Side Hit Men said:

    Yet Hahn placed him on the playoff roster as, wait for it, a reliever. Do these two ass clowns have it in them to criticize the man who can pull the plug on their dumbass broadcasting shit-show? Of course not. See Steve Stone for yet another "It's Ricky's call", when it is Rick's call, but Steve Stone doesn't have the balls to call it out.

    I think naming the guy you're throwing under the bus is just not going to happen and probably shouldn't. We all know who they're talking about. No reason to go there. To be honest, this is probably the most I've seen ambassadors of an organization bash someone in that organization.

     

    Watching Frank and Ozzie and to even a small extent Chuck just tee off on the Sox manager like this is surreal, that's just how bad he's been.

     

    But no, no reason to say his name. Not necessary.

    Sox @ A’s - Wildcard Game 3 - 2:10

    in 2020 Season in Review

    Posted

    1 minute ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

    Um because its baseball not something we should get all worked up over. Criticize all you want. Just some people don't care to raise their blood pressure over it. It's not sugarcoating to look at things objectivly. It was a good season . They were bad at the end . Thats how you lose . Season over time to relax and spend some time with the loved ones and be kind and not stay in a bad mood . Peace I don't need the last word on this so say what you will.

    Why shouldn't we?

     

    We love our team. There's no reason not to be passionate about it. But that's not even relevant because you don't have to be passionate or worked up to simply state what is true, which is that this team overacheived.

     

    Not sure where your logic is coming from. So do you never criticize the team or management at all? Nooooot likely. But if you do, well good for you.

    Putting things in realistic perspective.

    in Pale Hose Talk

    Posted

    1 minute ago, southsider2k5 said:

    This team was probably a year ahead of schedule.  Rick Hahn tried to move this up to a contender in the off season by bringing in pieces where we were weak at DH, RF, and SP.  Dallas worked, the rest didn't.  I think now we have another years worth of data and information to go off of going into next year.  Getting Kopech back will be a nice shot in the arm, and after the playoffs I have zero doubt they figure out a way to bring in another top half starting pitcher.  it will be interesting to see how they budget for 2020, but overall I am pretty happy with this year, past the obvious sting of losing.  If you had told me before this season that this team would have qualified for the playoffs even under pre 2020 standards I would have been thrilled. 

    I forgot to mention that it feels like we're gonna have to bank on Kopech recovering and growing into a stud.

    Sox @ A’s - Wildcard Game 3 - 2:10

    in 2020 Season in Review

    Posted

    44 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

    He told Tony to grow up and stop blindly defending your team. It's the end of the season. It's ok to defend the team you love. It's not childish to put the blinders on once in a while (which is debatable that Tony did that ) just as its not manly or grown up to thrash your favorite team.

    When someone needs to be told something, they need to be told something. Telling someone to grow up is not childish at all, it's telling that person that they were the ones who needs to stop being childish.

     

    Why would you not speak harshly of your team there's a reason to do so? Sugar coating things is not good. People have to face the bad, too. 

    Putting things in realistic perspective.

    in Pale Hose Talk

    Posted · Edited by KonerkoFan1

    I have to admit that while I really dig this community, I believe there is far too much knee jerking and emotion that lacks realism here. I love this team but I also put things into perspective. The amount of hot takes and realistic takes is pretty staggering.

     

    To be honest, I was gonna be super happy if they won but am not upset that they lost. Why? Realistic expectations were that they would not go farther than this. Expecting this team to be a serious contender with basically 2 starters and a lot of questions marks, as well as some old bad habits (still overall not great with RISP, etc.) is frankly unrealistic. 

     

    Can anything happen? Sure. But once you have to go to that mindset you have to realize the team is not as good as you expect or think. While I want our team to succeed, I also want to earn it. And luck is usually not going to be enough to get you through to the end.

     

    Granted, there are external factors. Bad umpiring has been a BIG factor and Renteria is an utterly terrible manager. But a lot of the Sox's failure has been on them as a team.

     

    That said, what going forward? I do also cast blame Hahn's way as we did add some big pieces but missed out on a lot that we could have had that could have made us that contender. At this point I dont think I need to add them because they've been discussed ad nauseam. 

     

    So what next? FA class this coming offseason and next don't look great so we HAVE to be aggressive and get some key pieces, but pitching is going to be scarce, and not a lot of young talent in terms of that available.

     

    I've said from the beginning that while I'm glad they finally looked to rebuild, the same people that drove the franchise into the ground in the first place are the ones overseeing the rebuild. I will say that I'm hopeful, but I'm not going to lie and say I'm super positive that we're going to get what we need. There's a lot of reasons to fear that this organization is ultimately going to fail. And one of them has been Hahn's inability to sign big free agents. 

     

    I remember that when the rebuild for started a lot of people here were annoyed that the Sox kept hoarding pitching prospects and claimed we didn't need that many. And I remember laughing at them.

     

    Renteria also has to go. I get that we made the playoffs but that wasn't a big accomplishment this season and Renteria effectively helped cost us the division. He's an absolutely brutal in-game manager I could care less about results leading to manager of the Year titles and whatnot, that sort of thing should be decided analytically just like everything else, not just based on the record your team put up.

     

    Long story short, I'm going to continue holding on to a little Hope as a Sox fan, but I cannot share what I honestly believe are a lot of delusions running rampant in this forum. I'm not telling you you should give up all hope, but I would expect more people to understand and acknowledge that this team basically got what they deserved and what I expected today.

     

    And no matter what anyone accuses me of after reading this, I am a gigantic Sox fan. And being a fan doesn't have to mean being blind. I'm glad you all are so passionate about this team but I believe more of you need to come to terms with the situation that we are in.

     

    All we can do is hope that either one of JR or Hahn get their heads out of their asses, or both.

     

    Go get Bauer and Ozuna!!!

     

    P.S. - being consistent as I am, I also shake my head at the people that absolutely flip out on every bad result and curse a player or manager for something it isn't their fault. Princeton, Dallas and Jose are not people that anyone should really be angry at right now. Some hot takes I've seen after someone strikes out or make a miscue a pretty ridiculous as well. I'm one of the biggest proponents of getting rid of Ricky Renteria, but admittedly some people here even blame him for stuff that isn't even his fault.

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    Sox @ A’s - Wildcard Game 3 - 2:10

    in 2020 Season in Review

    Posted

    Just now, RG23SoxFan said:

    that's the point, everyone expected the pitching to be this way.  you need to be aggressive and score any way you can.

    I really hope that's not your way of saying that the offense should be held more accountable.

     

    If the Bears can't score any damn points while their defense is dealing, you don't get mad at the defense when they start to wear down.

     

    And quite frankly, I know you can't actually speak for anybody but yourself but if the mentality is actually that "everybody" knows the pitching is bad, the no one should actually expect this team to advance in the playoffs.

    Sox @ A’s - Wildcard Game 3 - 2:10

    in 2020 Season in Review

    Posted

    Just now, Dominikk85 said:

    Well if you have a bullpen game in the first inning you have to leave some guys out a batter too long and hope for the best, otherwise you have nobody left in the 7th.

    Sucks that the sox only have two real starters.

    We really are relying on our offense to win playoff games. Ricky or no Ricky, the pitching staff on this team is not on that level (yet). 

     

    I vividly remember when we started the rebuild and we're stockpiling on pitching prospects that a lot of people here were getting angry that we were spending so many resources on pitchers and we didn't need that many. And I remember laughing at them.

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