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1 minute ago, Bonerko4Konerko said:
Kopech has always been his own worst enemy. Why make this move now? Because he has sucked this spring after sucking last year and can't mentally handle being a starter. Perhaps he gains some confidence in the pen. Probably not. But they want to seemingly award guys this spring for being competitive and if that's true then they can't let him continue to be a starter.
How many sox fans are gonna parrot that laughable competition talking point?
This isn't college. As much as the sox want to make this about effort in spring, the game is about talent. Only people with no talent tie their identities to this narrative of competing for a spot.
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Just now, southsider2k5 said:
I struggle to see how him getting his ass kicked for 3.1 innings every 5 days does anything either.
Because while he doesn't have an elite secondary he does have a decent 3 pitch mix and it's just as likely, imo, that he figures it out as a starter as he does as a reliever.
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1 minute ago, WhiteSox2023 said:
But at what point do you give up on him being a starter? He’s a free agent in 2026. He’s been mediocre to bad as a starter. He was best as a reliever in 2021. If they can turn him into a stud closer or high leverage reliever, they can get something in return for him at least.
Never. You're not salvaging value with him as a reliever.
Run him into the ground.
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Just now, southsider2k5 said:
TBH, if this is happening right, it is almost certainly because Michael Kopech continues to be a mental case and a trainwreck. They obviously see that he can't handle it.
Maybe, but none of them can. The sox are starting fedde on opening day. He was the worst starter on a near 100 loss nats team a couple years ago. I struggle to see how a move to the bullpen fixes his issues. He doesn't even have an elite put out secondary at this point.
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3 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:
He has sucked for years as a starter, and has sucked again this spring. I am sure this wasn't a planned thing, but a reaction to Kopech not being able to make any progress, and in fact regressing pretty decently.
The entire team sucks. Kopech has some talent at least. It's not like you're pulling him and replacing him with a better option.
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1 minute ago, fathom said:
I really don’t get anything that’s going on right now. The Getz regime is going about as poorly as one would expect. Whole lots of moves have been made, but very little upside acquired.
It's about what I expected. Making changes just to say you did. This team should be trying to maximize tail outcomes to get some unexpected value. Kopech being a closer adds no value to this team and not much value, if any, in a trade.
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1 minute ago, WhiteSox2023 said:
May as well sign Bauer too while we are at it.
All jokes aside, if you're gonna sign a dick head at least sign one who could be great.
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Just now, ChiSox59 said:
I don't understand this decision. You can always move him to the pen later. This is a move you probably are not coming back from, and Kopech has way more value as a SP both to the Sox, and to other teams.
Yeah, bullpen was always there as an option. They have zero starting pitchers. It's crazy. This is the worst rotation in baseball the past decade.
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3 minutes ago, SoCalChiSox said:
Perhaps "let's trust Bannister" is no longer a good reason to justify stuff like the Mena trade or the guys they got from SD.
One of his key jobs was to save Kopech and he already failed.
Nothing cracks me up more on sox talk than the amount of credit/belief given to coaches for established players development or lack there of.
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Just now, fathom said:
Not so fast my friend
Oh great. Bring back a complete asshole while you're going to be terrible again. Lots of fun!
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Why?
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4 minutes ago, TaylorStSox said:
I don't really understand your point. We're probably 4 or 5 years away from any type of contention. We're starting a rebuild where the vast majority of our assets were failures. The cupboard was bare. This is gonna take a while.
Lol you think the white sox can afford to go another 4+ years with abysmal teams and rosters?
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2 minutes ago, WestEddy said:
This is a ridiculous exaggeration. Luis Robert isn't an MLB piece. Got it. Eloy raking isn't an MLB piece. got it. A healthy Yoan isn't an MLB piece. check.
The White Sox couldn't give Eloy or moncada away. Hope they both turn it around but they're not pieces with value.
Robert I've talked about plenty and he was not a part of my comment.
What's hilarious is were talking about a 25 man roster and you got offended and named three players to say I was exaggerating.
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Just now, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said:
Well, it’s certainly better than what they had last season - an expensive terrible mlb roster. If the mlb roster is terrible, I’d rather have it be super cheap. Also, this is a 3-4 year rebuild. A top 10 farm one year into the rebuild after having a bottom 3 farm 12 months prior is nothing to turn your nose up at.
How is it better to have no mlb pieces and to be throwing a AAA rotation for an entire season?
Why do you care how expensive the roster is? I'd rather the White Sox field a team of mlb talent attempting to win a s%*# division.
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18 minutes ago, Balta1701 said:
Keith Law literally said Zavala looks uninterested and sloppy.
Sloppy is observable I guess, but judging someone's interest feels like deciding you know someone's personality without knowing them. Feels like racial scouting tropes.
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42 minutes ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said:
Fangraphs has their farm at #12 now. Quote the improvement in less than a year. Should be top 10 after the trade deadline with very little money committed to mlb payroll after this season. About as clean of a slate as you could ask for at the onset of a new rebuild.
A clean slate isn't a good thing lol.
If you have one mlb piece, you need a lot more than a top 10 farm system to build a roster.
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No one comes into my house and rips on my family but for me.
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38 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:
Does it give any of you pause that you have to rely on your development system in a big way for this deal to pay off?
What gives me pause is realizing you're an orioles Fan who has spent hours upon hours of his life arguing with random Sox fans on their fan message board.
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35 minutes ago, fathom said:
I don’t trust the Sox when it comes to evaluating if a pitcher can be a starter
Industry said the guy they just traded was bound for the bullpen so even they get lucky on these gambles on occasion
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1 minute ago, fathom said:
Yep, needed Lesko or Snelling
Your earlier comp of Hendricks is pretty spot on. I have no issues with that honestly. Those guys are rare, but pretty reliable. Elite command, two plus secondaries, good sequencing. He's not going to get you a 7 war Cy season but he's a 2.5-4 WAR guy for a few years.
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Just now, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said:
I said this months ago. If the Sox trade robert next winter, there’s a very real possibility they have 8 top 100 mlb prospects after that trade is completed. They now have 4 with several fringe top 100 guys like Ramos, zavala, Iriarte, quero. They’ll add a 5th in the draft and Robert should return at least 2 if he has another big year.
Who cares?
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I do agree people are selling thorpe short but he could get hurt tomorrow. A pitcher as the primary piece is risky and while his floor is solid for a non top 50 prospect, he's also still a pitcher.
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1 minute ago, baseball_gal_aly said:
Um, I'd take the Burnes deal over this.
I like Hall better than Thorpe, even if he's older.
that burnes deal is not as good from a value standpoint. Not that close imo.
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1 minute ago, Bob Sacamano said:
He’s 19 but he also seems to draw a lot of walks which is nice.
Yeah, he just requires some development and we're the White Sox is my concern lol. At least he's one year older than I thought, one year less we can screw him up
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He'll sit 91-93 in season would be my guess.