cwsox

Thank you... some of us are smart enough...

Exactly.

I am a baby boomer. Turned 50 this summer. So this looks like a job for me, so everyone, just follow me, cuz we need a little controversy... I love Eminem - saw him in concert this year at Rosemont, and only last minute problems kept me from seeing him in Detroit. Don't ask how many times I have seen 8 Mile. As far as baby boomers and Em, recent NYT magazine story and the current New Yorker have referenced Em's growing popularity amongst the boomer crowd. With my friends, some still think I am crazy for loving Em's music, but less than there used to be, and some are getting as enthusiastic about him as I am. Not all of us lead lives trapped in classic rock. I like good music period. And that includes liking good rap. As far as Em: some will scoff, but not since the Beatles has there been something so fresh and new, so brilliant, so compelling. That is assuming one "gets" Em, but then, some didn't "get" the Beatles either. His lyrics are marvels of the wordsmith's art. His social observations are incredibly insightful. The guy is just plain f***ing brilliant. I also think he has a fantatsic wit. His delivery - he commands the stage that he is on, has rare presence, and he delivers with a ferocity and passion that put most performers to shame. His music itself is fantastic. If one follows musical phrasing, counterpoint, the musical expressiveness, again, not since the Beatles Sgt. Pepper and White Album have we heard such genius and musical creativity. I think the little punk kid (alrthough he is 30, not a kid) is the Mozart of our day. Two of my friends who know the most about music, big Em fans. My best buddy, a great guy but who has never really listened to Eminem and just knows what he has heard, thinks I am an idiot and thinks Em is scum. But a year ago, it was just me. I am watching my friends come over to the Slim Shady side one by one. Other recent albums purchases for me include Xzibit, Ludacris, Jay-Z, TLC, Mary J, Blige, and of course 8 Mile. As I said, not all of my generation listens only to music by dead white guys. I know there will be posts bashing Eminem like there are every time his work is discussed. And some people will think I am a lunatic. But as hotsoxchick knows, I am a seasons ticket holder to the Lyric Opera. Viewing Em's work through operatic eyes, taking each album as if it were an individual opera, it works. The scope, the connectedness of it all, is there. And I think that a person "gets" Eminem or doesn't. But if a person gets it, you realize he is far and away the most incredible talent to emerge in a long time. "Ya gotta live it to feel it, If you didn't you wouldn't get it, We'll see what the big deal is, Why it wasn't, it still is." M. Mathers

We will know more about Navarre next season. If he improves as much this season to next as he did last season to this, he will follow in the tradition of Griese and Brady - and Haubaugh, Grbac, and the forgotten UM QB in the NFL, old what's his name, the te for Buffalo. However, should Navarre not continue to improve, then he'll be just another Scott Driesbach. The Iowa game's final score was a matter of incredible momentum, like I have rarely seen (I was at the game). That is not to take away from the fact that they flat out beat us, but if Markus Curry handn't fumbled that punt, maybe, maybe... it was only 10-9 then. But once they got the recovery, wham. No doubt in my mind that Iowa is better than OSU. I also think OSU will beat Miami-Fl. They will match up against them well. And we will be playing on New Years Day, as we should be, minimally.

it is only bandwagoning if it is your motivation - if you pick a team for other reasons and they happen to be winning, it is not bandwagoning. I repeat my recommendations of the Dolphs or Pats, or maybe the Chargers. But NO to Washington, or the adoption is off! I will not have a bastard child! I also think Joe Jackson, while not the most involved of the 8, was certainly involved enough and not as dumb as he acted in public. He hit, but in what games --

we all know ND won a phantom touchdown we all know I never trash tgalk other teams ND is back after a few off seasons, welcome back to winning, something Michigan always does, one of the longest consecutive bowl game streaks out there and shorter than it should because until the 1976 season, the Big 10 would only allow 1 team to go to a bowl game. You misunderstood. I have known a few ND fans I would like to f***! That at least would make them useful... I won't trash talk teams, but I will honestly comment on fans...

redpinstripes will always be little crede fan in my book... or whipwreck... so many names, so many personaliites, but such a good guy by any name. Even though he's a ND fan,. Mike is one hell of a good guy and one of my favorite people truly. Before it gets too nicey nicey, f*** ND.

f*** Notre Dame fans!

f*** Notre Dame!

Oh come on, you know damn well how I am about things like that! I am against all stereotypes of peoples as sports mascots, except the Irish for ND, since the Irish are all drunks anyway and aren't sober enough to know they are being mocked by people in Lucky Charms costumes. :-)

f*** you to all who knock the Wolverines. Michigan played a great game, the loss of Diggs really hurt. Yeah, we lost it on the fumble, allowing that pass to the freshman, and not completing that last pass but I remain proud of my Wolverines, who did beat Penn State, again, as always, is there anyone alive who remembers PSU beating UM? No, I thought so. And we are going to a New Years Day bowl, probably the Citrus. ND had such a slight chance of getting to the Fiesta as to be non existant. They will play in a good bowl on New Years day though. I am friends with all who hate OSU, which is now a smaller campus after all the fires... Is that UConn-Iowa State score real?

Psycho, I cannot adopt you if you follow through with this Washington DC racistly named team. If not the Bears, try my beloved Dolphins, or the Pats with Tom Brady.

That is a big "if." More of an "if" than I care to risk. However, IF your scenario came through, I might forget all about the 19 loss season. Since his best season was a 16-7 season (98) and he followed that with a 4-19 (99) I think the odds of him winning 19 are slim.

I am going to be anti Daal. The guy lost 19 games in a season and we already have Ritchie for that. I can't get past a 19 loss season.

My son doesn't have my respect, he's a Tigers fan, damn it! You know how kids need to rebel against the parents - but the last laugh is on him, since his son is a die hard Sox fan at age 7! Anyway, forget this political bulls*** and lets have a beer at the tailgate on opening day!

Now why would a virgin want to f*** the Red Wings? A shot and she scores!

Decline in team chemistry? On the Sox? Surely you jest! And irf KW gets word you said that, you will be in big trouble!

Hawks, 2 or 3 Stanley Cups in their history? Red Wings, 3 Stanley Cups in last 6 years! Go Wings! (this message brought to you by the good folks from Hockeytown, USA.)

The Bulls losing is news how, exactly?

If the freedom to disagree is so valued in America by you, as opposed to your thinking that everyone must agree with you, why do suggest that I hate this country and should leave it? For your suggestion that I hate this country, or that anyone who differs from your opinions must hate this country, I respond sir that your opinions are not the sole defining ones of who loves this country. And as for your suggestion that I leave this country, that is not worthy of any response. Your mindset hardly reflects that of the United States and all that makes this country what it is, and has a lot more in common with a dictatorship and a tyrant. It would appear the sole differance between Sadaam Hussein and yourself is that he holds power and you do not, because your attitudes on people who disagree with you are remarkably the same. Fortunately for you, my son the Marine is out there protecting your right to attack my patriotism.

suddenly I am getting a message on my screen that I am not allowed to view the forum that I was posting in - ??????????????

cubkilla, as I read the repititions of the posts, this phrase caught my eye: "And given that you are prone to outrageous and uninformed bursts of ranting to support your position, then I can easily evaluate the rest of your thinking here, which is, you don't have a clue what you are talking about." And I went back and checked, and I had indeed posted that. I didn't mean to posyt that, I had several things in my mind and that wasn't meant for you and I thought I had edited that out. I didn't and I apologise. As for the rest, I disagree with you on much of what you say. I hope you see more movies.

psycho, I probably said something totally worthless anyway!

------------------------------------------------------------------------ Originally posted by cwsox anyone who speaks of Oscar Romero, Ita Ford, and by inlucison, Maura Clark, Jean Donovan, and Dorothy Kazel, is someone that I will listen to for that person has much to teach and share. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ cubkilla responded: Bulls***. Then share your ideas on how to deal with a Osama Bin Laden. Or Saddam Hussein. Those that advocate force have been asking all the leftists on this board for months now for their ideas on how Bush and the US should handle this situation. All we get are more f***ing links to liberal, sometimes borderline Socialist, garbage. Being moderate in my political views, I wish the whole Middle East crisis and the War on Terrorism could be settled with all sides sitting down and hammering out an agreement that all sides could agree on. BUT THAT ISN'T GOING TO f***ING HAPPEN..... NOT TODAY, NOT TOMORROW, NOT ANYDAY!!!!! What the Romero's, Fords, et al had in common is that they just couldn't come to the revelation that some people..... your Bin Laden's, Husseins, Islamic Fundamentalists, etc..... don't understand anything but violence. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ and my response: Cubkilla, I met you at a game and/or SoxFest and thought you were cool and hope we meet again and party a bit with our mutual friends. However, your response indicates basic (total) lack of knowledge what you are talking about here. Ita Ford, Maura Clark, Jean Donovan, and Dorothy Kazel were three nuns and a Roman Catholic lay worker who were raped and killed on 2 December 1980 by the forces of Savlador's Roberto d'Aubbisson (spelling), who was backed by the US in the late 1970s and early 1980s. Archbishop Oscar Romero, killed during mass as he elevated the bread and wine, on 24 March 1980, was killed by the same forces. What you say is ill-informed here at best, and frankly, extremely offensive due to the nature of the deaths of these five Christian witnesses to social justice in Salvador, which has nothing to do with bin Ladin and Hussein. And given that you are prone to outrageous and uninformed bursts of ranting to support your position, then I can easily evaluate the rest of your thinking here, which is, you don't have a clue what you are talking about. And there it is. I sure do hope that these differences aside, when we meet again we can not deal with these things and enjoy our mutual friends and the joy of cheering for the Sox. I prefer to meet with friends over things that unite us, not divide us.

anyone who speaks of Oscar Romero, Ita Ford, and by inlucison, Maura Clark, Jean Donovan, and Dorothy Kazel, is someone that I will listen to for that person has much to teach and share. anyone who gleefully, casually, and/or caviliarly (note the adjectives) accepts the deaths of infants and children, let alone women and men, who are non combatants, in committing acts of violence, is the moral equivilant of Timothy McVeigh or Osama Bin Laden, regardless of whatever outer clothes are worn. And having said that, as the father of a Marine, I will add that the School of the Americas is a trainong ground for terrorism and should be shut down immediately. And the definitions of "bleeding heart liberalism" that we have read here are ridiculous and absurd, and bulls***. The total lack of precision in writing, and writing from one's personal biases with such sophomoric understandings is not worthy of the better minds, the better thinking, that each member of this board possesses but denies behind the macho jock tough guy poses. Liberalism in the issues argued here takes in the full reality of an individual/society in a situation, seeks to understand all of the various factors that contribute to that situation, and respond accordingly to each factor. To understand those factors as they impinge on an individual is then to respond in an approipriate way to that individual for the sake of society and that individual. No one, however liberal, adovcated that Manson, Gacy, McVegh, or Dahmer should be let go "because grandma and grandpa were mean to them" (and whoever used tyhat phrase, come on, you can do better than that). Actually, in each of their lives, we can trace what factors impacted on them, and knowing those, we can work to make those same factors do not affect other individuals. Meanwhile, they each deserved their judgment in society which has an obligation to protect itself. To understand what has affected the life of either Ligue, and respond to each with the appropriate sentence for each one as determined by the court, means we may rescue one young man from following the sad footsteps of his father, while the father gets a much needed reality check and gets his head straight while serving whatever sentence the court finds appropriate.